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12-08-2008, 05:49 PM
#11
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2008
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The source IS T.W., and he has proven to be, well, less than a credible source in times past. As others have so well posted.....wait till it's posted, then let's just all move forward. I feel pretty sure that the pain is going to be spread around somewhat equally. Hopefully, we'll all work for a stronger, world class airline when all this dust settles.
Chuck
DC9 CA
Chuck
DC9 CA
12-08-2008, 05:54 PM
#12
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: B767 FO
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by tsquare
Glad to know it's not just my connection.... I think the server is toast. 
You'd think they would at least put SOMETHING on the code-a-phone... I think Buzz has some 'splaining to do.
You'd think they would at least put SOMETHING on the code-a-phone... I think Buzz has some 'splaining to do.
12-08-2008, 05:56 PM
#13
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
Position: DAL A320 CA
Posts: 36
I believe you are right, we either killed the DALPA server or they have taken it down to post the award.
A simple/short email from the communications committee would be nice and may have saved the website.
A simple/short email from the communications committee would be nice and may have saved the website.
12-08-2008, 05:59 PM
#14
Line Holder
Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: B767 FO
Posts: 79
Just got this off the DALPA webboard:
____________________________________________
This came from a friend at NWA, who received it from their MEC this afternoon. Communication from the leadership... what a concept.
Seniority List Award Announcement
We expect the seniority list award on Monday, but we don't know how or in what form the award will be delivered. It could be delivered by e-mail. Alternatively, it could be placed in FedEX or snail mail on Monday, which means it wouldn't reach the Merger Committee's hands for one or more days. Also, the award may or may not contain the actual list.
The award will be delivered to the Merger Committee. We expect the Merger Committee to review the award and then provide it to the rest of the pilot group.
The bottom line: While the award is due on the 8th, please don't expect to see it by 5pm on Monday. The Merger Committee will publish the award as soon as possible.
Vice-Chairman's Comments on Seniority List Integration
The process of negotiating and/or arbitrating SLI has been fully understood by everyone; and was agreed upon by the pilots during the ratification of the JCBA. Our Merger Committee and their extended support team has worked tirelessly to present the best possible NWA pilot position within the arbitration process, while simultaneously working the negotiated effort. Ultimately, a negotiated list was not to be. I urge all Council 1 pilots to move forward in a positive manner regardless of what the results of the SLI may be. There are many items still in play, including resolving contract transition issues, and the need to move rapidly within the joint MEC to assure that 12,000 pilots have success in the new company. Failure to accomplish this would be detrimental to former NWA pilots and the new DAL. Failure is not an option.
____________________________________________
This came from a friend at NWA, who received it from their MEC this afternoon. Communication from the leadership... what a concept.
Seniority List Award Announcement
We expect the seniority list award on Monday, but we don't know how or in what form the award will be delivered. It could be delivered by e-mail. Alternatively, it could be placed in FedEX or snail mail on Monday, which means it wouldn't reach the Merger Committee's hands for one or more days. Also, the award may or may not contain the actual list.
The award will be delivered to the Merger Committee. We expect the Merger Committee to review the award and then provide it to the rest of the pilot group.
The bottom line: While the award is due on the 8th, please don't expect to see it by 5pm on Monday. The Merger Committee will publish the award as soon as possible.
Vice-Chairman's Comments on Seniority List Integration
The process of negotiating and/or arbitrating SLI has been fully understood by everyone; and was agreed upon by the pilots during the ratification of the JCBA. Our Merger Committee and their extended support team has worked tirelessly to present the best possible NWA pilot position within the arbitration process, while simultaneously working the negotiated effort. Ultimately, a negotiated list was not to be. I urge all Council 1 pilots to move forward in a positive manner regardless of what the results of the SLI may be. There are many items still in play, including resolving contract transition issues, and the need to move rapidly within the joint MEC to assure that 12,000 pilots have success in the new company. Failure to accomplish this would be detrimental to former NWA pilots and the new DAL. Failure is not an option.
12-08-2008, 06:13 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Position: B767 FO
Posts: 79
Originally Posted by chuck416
The source IS T.W., and he has proven to be, well, less than a credible source in times past. As others have so well posted.....wait till it's posted, then let's just all move forward. I feel pretty sure that the pain is going to be spread around somewhat equally. Hopefully, we'll all work for a stronger, world class airline when all this dust settles.
Chuck
DC9 CA
Chuck
DC9 CA
There is no 'list', but the parties have received the award. Reported to be
a ratio with NO conditions and restrictions.
The info comes from the Delta side, so no guarantee that it is accurate.
The difficulty for our Merger guys will be to work up a list (using the
supplied conditions), and then compare the result with their Delta
counterparts to make sure both sides agree before publishing.
12-08-2008, 06:16 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 765-A
Posts: 6,844
Originally Posted by PackTrip
Is this what that guy posted on the NWA board?:
There is no 'list', but the parties have received the award. Reported to be
a ratio with NO conditions and restrictions.
The info comes from the Delta side, so no guarantee that it is accurate.
The difficulty for our Merger guys will be to work up a list (using the
supplied conditions), and then compare the result with their Delta
counterparts to make sure both sides agree before publishing.
There is no 'list', but the parties have received the award. Reported to be
a ratio with NO conditions and restrictions.
The info comes from the Delta side, so no guarantee that it is accurate.
The difficulty for our Merger guys will be to work up a list (using the
supplied conditions), and then compare the result with their Delta
counterparts to make sure both sides agree before publishing.
12-08-2008, 06:18 PM
#19
Super Moderator
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: DAL 330
Posts: 6,868
At least the stock is up. I doubt the list results were out when this thread started because we all know the media are never wrong.
Disclaimer:Red bolded wording below added by poster for entertainment value only.
Delta, NWA pilots await seniority decision
Monday December 8, 7:03 pm ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Airlines Writer
Pilots at Delta Air Lines, Northwest Airlines await panel's decision on seniority integration
ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines pilots awaited a decision Monday from an arbitration panel on how their seniority lists will be integrated.
Spokeswomen for Delta and its pilots union did not know when the three-member panel would issue a decision. There also was the possibility pilots at the two carriers could reach a deal on their own, pre-empting a panel decision. Whether the two sides were talking was unclear.
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Horowitz and Bloch also served on an arbitration panel selected in 2006 to determine whether Delta, which was under bankruptcy protection at the time, could void its pilots' contract and impose pay and benefit cuts unilaterally. Delta's pilots union, which had threatened to strike, eventually agreed to concessions, and that panel never issued a ruling.
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Delta, NWA pilots await seniority decision
Monday December 8, 7:03 pm ET
By Harry R. Weber, AP Airlines Writer
Pilots at Delta Air Lines, Northwest Airlines await panel's decision on seniority integration
ATLANTA (AP) -- Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines pilots awaited a decision Monday from an arbitration panel on how their seniority lists will be integrated.
Spokeswomen for Delta and its pilots union did not know when the three-member panel would issue a decision. There also was the possibility pilots at the two carriers could reach a deal on their own, pre-empting a panel decision. Whether the two sides were talking was unclear.
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Pilots value their seniority. Those at the top of the list get first choice on vacations, the best routes and the bigger planes that they get paid more for flying.
Northwest pilots tend to be older than Delta pilots (BUT DELTA PILOTS WILL ACHIEVE TOTAL CONSCIOUSNESS ON THEIR DEATHBED) because many senior pilots retired from Delta during the run-up to the airline's 2005 bankruptcy filing.
During closed-door hearings before the panel, a lawyer for Delta said the carrier's pilots want their seniority list merged with Northwest based on pilots' status and aircraft category, while a lawyer for Northwest pilots insisted the fair and equitable method is to merge the lists based on pilots' date of hire.
The arbitration panel -- California labor attorney Fredric Horowitz, attorney Dana Eischen and veteran arbitrator Richard Bloch -- was called in to resolve the seniority issue after the pilots at both airlines reached an impasse, though nothing has stopped them from continuing to talk if they want.
The panel's decision would be binding.
Horowitz and Bloch also served on an arbitration panel selected in 2006 to determine whether Delta, which was under bankruptcy protection at the time, could void its pilots' contract and impose pay and benefit cuts unilaterally. Delta's pilots union, which had threatened to strike, eventually agreed to concessions, and that panel never issued a ruling.
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12-08-2008, 06:19 PM
#20
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Originally Posted by newKnow
There are those who have been tryting to figure out how you have access to that board for quite some time. Care to tell?
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