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Old 05-25-2018 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
Meanwhile, SkyWest is losing 80 pilots per month to the majors. I didn’t run into a single pilot last month at Mesa going to a major.
Skywest has 4,600 pilots so the odds are in their favor. 80 pilots a month to a major? Skywest wouldn't survive if they lost that many pilots every month. I know 4 Ejet capts leaving in the next two weeks for a major.
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Old 05-25-2018 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Brody
Dude - if I ever did leave this industry, it would be out of frustration from having to fly with people just like you.

Selfish . . . and clueless.

There's an old saying - 'never pass up an opportunity to shut up' . . .
And, you pass it up every time....
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Old 05-25-2018 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by giggity37
Skywest has 4,600 pilots so the odds are in their favor. 80 pilots a month to a major? Skywest wouldn't survive if they lost that many pilots every month. I know 4 Ejet capts leaving in the next two weeks for a major.
That is why SkyWest is going to start offering new hire bonuses and trying to raise the pay of new hires. Their TA is out.

Glad to hear that Ejet captains are moving on. They didn’t last month.

(Wait, I just met a Captain leaving and he is in the June United class).

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Old 05-25-2018 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
And, you pass it up every time....

At 964 posts - compared to my 25 posts - I would argue that that saying clearly applies to you.

Regardless, people like you are JO's wet dream.

And you always will be.

You won't fight - you'll just accept whatever scraps happen to be thrown to you by your captors. You lick their boots, and try to argue that you're not licking their boots.

You are the reason the new 'norm' is 70K-80K per year for a captain - instead of in the 200's (topping out over 300K). Instead of fighting, you justified it. You bought into their argument.

For anyone thinking of simply getting out of this industry BEFORE retirement - and finding a career that we can salvage our ability to make a living AND put away enough for retirement - it's because people like you are voting 'yes' to contracts that any sane pilot would vote no on.

You ENABLE them to continue doing this to us.

You accept that Mesa's version of ALPA (LOL) is akin to a really bad joke - being played on all of us.

I grew up in a household with a parent who was in executive mgmt at a legacy. I've overheard (seemingly) millions of conversations. One thing is for sure - executive management's hatred for pilots is far greater than most of us realize.

They go WAY out of their way to screw us. Again and again and again.

Had I not seen this firsthand, I'm not sure I would have believed it myself.

Don't believe me?

Look at your pay scales. Look at your QOL. Look at your med/dental benefits.

Look at your 'union.'

Look at the fact that only half of this pilot group is getting a shot at a flow-through.

And not a peep from our 'union'

In other words, look at the result - instead of focusing on your false hope. Your ignorance is staggering - yet you aren't the only one. I fly with people like you several times a week.

Airlines' executive management didn't just beat us - now they're doing their end-zone dance on top of us.

And where is our 'union?' They're dancing too - but pretending to be angry.

My opinion here, but they are ripe for a class-action suit for misrepresentation . . .
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Old 05-25-2018 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Brody
At 964 posts - compared to my 25 posts - I would argue that that saying clearly applies to you.

Regardless, people like you are JO's wet dream.

And you always will be.

You won't fight - you'll just accept whatever scraps happen to be thrown to you by your captors. You lick their boots, and try to argue that you're not licking their boots.

You are the reason the new 'norm' is 70K-80K per year for a captain - instead of in the 200's (topping out over 300K). Instead of fighting, you justified it. You bought into their argument.

For anyone thinking of simply getting out of this industry BEFORE retirement - and finding a career that we can salvage our ability to make a living AND put away enough for retirement - it's because people like you are voting 'yes' to contracts that any sane pilot would vote no on.

You ENABLE them to continue doing this to us.

You accept that Mesa's version of ALPA (LOL) is akin to a really bad joke - being played on all of us.

I grew up in a household with a parent who was in executive mgmt at a legacy. I've overheard (seemingly) millions of conversations. One thing is for sure - executive management's hatred for pilots is far greater than most of us realize.

They go WAY out of their way to screw us. Again and again and again.

Had I not seen this firsthand, I'm not sure I would have believed it myself.

Don't believe me?

Look at your pay scales. Look at your QOL. Look at your med/dental benefits.

Look at your 'union.'

Look at the fact that only half of this pilot group is getting a shot at a flow-through.

And not a peep from our 'union'

In other words, look at the result - instead of focusing on your false hope. Your ignorance is staggering - yet you aren't the only one. I fly with people like you several times a week.

Airlines' executive management didn't just beat us - now they're doing their end-zone dance on top of us.

And where is our 'union?' They're dancing too - but pretending to be angry.

My opinion here, but they are ripe for a class-action suit for misrepresentation . . .
Yeah, our pay is pretty bad. And, no one should rely on our benefits.

And, I believe that Envoy’s street captain program (even though it is a 145) is pretty attractive. Or, SkyWest’s pay on Mesa’s longevity and nearly a street captain program is pretty attractive.

Union guys have been on here explaining that a United CPP program is not subject to the collective bargaining agreement.

Good luck in whatever decision you make for yourself.

My goals are pretty simple. To be gone as quickly as I can get hired by a major.

Fortunately, I like my job here. I think 80% of the pilots I fly with are pretty good and have a great attitude. And, I am honored not to be someone you would want to fly with.
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Old 05-27-2018 | 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
Yeah, our pay is pretty bad. And, no one should rely on our benefits.

And, I believe that Envoy’s street captain program (even though it is a 145) is pretty attractive. Or, SkyWest’s pay on Mesa’s longevity and nearly a street captain program is pretty attractive.

Union guys have been on here explaining that a United CPP program is not subject to the collective bargaining agreement.

Good luck in whatever decision you make for yourself.

My goals are pretty simple. To be gone as quickly as I can get hired by a major.

Fortunately, I like my job here. I think 80% of the pilots I fly with are pretty good and have a great attitude. And, I am honored not to be someone you would want to fly with.
Keep licking their boots.

And keep trying to tell yourself that you're not . . .
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Old 05-27-2018 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Brody
Keep licking their boots.

And keep trying to tell yourself that you're not . . .
Just keep asking yourself how that Airbus type rating is working out for you, while you sit here working at the worst regional (since Great Lakes has lost that title)...
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Old 05-27-2018 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
Just keep asking yourself how that Airbus type rating is working out for you, while you sit here working at the worst regional (since Great Lakes has lost that title)...
Nice work, Columbo.

Yet another topic you know next-to-nothing about, but you still can't resist taking a shot anyways.

Go back to licking JO's boots . . .
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Old 05-27-2018 | 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Brody
Nice work, Columbo.

Yet another topic you know next-to-nothing about, but you still can't resist taking a shot anyways.

Go back to licking JO's boots . . .
I just know you are pretty pathetic. I don’t mind taking a shot at someone who shouldn’t even be here. By the way, JO doesn’t wear boots.
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Old 05-30-2018 | 04:46 AM
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Does Mesa actually have CPP or not? According to United, it looks like a no.

https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/company/career/program.aspx
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