Mesa issues warn notice to pilots
09-19-2020 | 05:56 AM
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09-19-2020 | 06:45 AM
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For those of you who will be displaced from DFW to IAD because of this I suggest you look at the schedules between the two. Earliest AA arrival in IAD is at 3:04pm, nothing earlier on AA. The earliest UA arrival on that route is at 7:55pm for a direct and 11:04am if you two leg it through IAH. In other words you are going to be commuting in the day before, AA departures are at 9:10am and 3:04pm the sole UA departure is at 12:35pm on an RJ. ALL Current IAD trips are starting between 9:45-10:10am and ending 4:28-5:05pm. In other words you 100% WILL be commuting in the day before for every single trip without question. And you 100% WILL be commuting home the day after your trip without question. Your 4 day trips in IAD WILL be 6 day trips if you live in DFW, without exception. Keep that in mind when you vote, IAD isn’t even remotely close to commutable unless you live in the NE corridor.
This is NOT negotiable, if you live in DFW you will be spending two extra days on the road and two less days at home for every. Single. Trip. If you are so unlucky as to be living in PHX the news is even worse for you.
This is NOT negotiable, if you live in DFW you will be spending two extra days on the road and two less days at home for every. Single. Trip. If you are so unlucky as to be living in PHX the news is even worse for you.
09-19-2020 | 06:46 AM
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09-19-2020 | 07:27 AM
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For those of you who will be displaced from DFW to IAD because of this I suggest you look at the schedules between the two. Earliest AA arrival in IAD is at 3:04pm, nothing earlier on AA. The earliest UA arrival on that route is at 7:55pm for a direct and 11:04am if you two leg it through IAH. In other words you are going to be commuting in the day before, AA departures are at 9:10am and 3:04pm the sole UA departure is at 12:35pm on an RJ. ALL Current IAD trips are starting between 9:45-10:10am and ending 4:28-5:05pm. In other words you 100% WILL be commuting in the day before for every single trip without question. And you 100% WILL be commuting home the day after your trip without question. Your 4 day trips in IAD WILL be 6 day trips if you live in DFW, without exception. Keep that in mind when you vote, IAD isn’t even remotely close to commutable unless you live in the NE corridor.
This is NOT negotiable, if you live in DFW you will be spending two extra days on the road and two less days at home for every. Single. Trip. If you are so unlucky as to be living in PHX the news is even worse for you.
This is NOT negotiable, if you live in DFW you will be spending two extra days on the road and two less days at home for every. Single. Trip. If you are so unlucky as to be living in PHX the news is even worse for you.
23-D-1 When a reduction in the number of permanent positions takes place, the Company will notify all pilots. The Company will post the anticipated number of displacements including the status, equipment and domicile. Said displacement posting will indicate a bid closing time and date which will not be less than seven (7) days after posting.
23-D-2 Pilotsinthepositionsaffectedmaybevoluntarilydispla cedintheir order of preference in accordance with their system seniority. Pilots wishing to be voluntarily displaced shall so indicate on a Standing/Displacement bid form. If a pilot so indicates, he is stating he wishes to have his displacement preferences processed in seniority order prior to the process of reverse seniority order displacements.
23-D-3 A voluntarily displaced pilot will have the same vacancy and/or displacement rights as the pilot who would have been displaced, including, but not limited to, Section 5 "Expenses" and the provisions of this section. The most senior volunteer will use the most senior displaced-pilot's rights.
23-D-4 The Company will award voluntary displacements first. If reductions still remain, pilots will be involuntarily displaced in reverse seniority order.
23-D-5 Displaced from Domicile
23-D-5-a A pilot will be considered displaced from his domicile when he can no longer hold a position in that domicile in his status and equipment, but he can hold a position in that status and equipment system wide. When a pilot is displaced from his domicile as the result of a reduction or geographic relocation of pilot positions(s) he will have the following options in accordance with his seniority:
23-D-5-a-(1) Remain or return to (for up to 6 months) his current domicile in any status or equipment; or
23-D-5-a-(2) Occupy any position in his same status and equipment.
23-D-5-a-(3) Pilots displacing under Section 23-D-5-a above and pilots in that same status and equipment with standing or displacement bids for that status and equipment will be awarded or assigned concurrently, in order of seniority. Only after those pilots in the same status and equipment are awarded or assigned their positions will any remaining vacancies be awarded to pilots who
require training for the vacancy.
5-I Moving Expenses
5-I-1 An eligible pilot shall receive moving expenses (including shipping (excluding pack/unpack) and insurance) for household and personal goods based upon weight, not to exceed 9,000 pounds, from the previous domicile (provided such location is the pilot's principal residence) to the new domicile, or the pilot's principal residence to the new domicile, whichever is shorter. Moves under this section shall be coordinated through a Company approved moving vendor(s) and a designated Company representative.
5-I-2 In lieu of the moving expense in 5-I-1 above, the Company will reimburse an eligible pilot for the cost of a pre-approved self-move vehicle and associated expenses (fuel, boxes, packing supplies, hotel computed at one night for every 350 miles traveled up to three nights). Additionally, if a pilot elects this option, he shall be eligible for a five hundred-dollar ($500) allowance for incidentals. Moving expenses under this section shall be from the previous domicile (provided such location is the pilot's principal residence) to the new domicile, or the pilot's principal residence to the new domicile, whichever is shorter. Moves under this section will be coordinated through a Company approved self-move vendor.
5-I-3 Moving expenses as outlined in this subsection
5-I shall only be compensated upon proof of moving expenses incurred in moving.
5-J-2 If a lease is broken as a result of an involuntary move to a new domicile, and a penalty (which can be documented) is incurred, the Company will pay the penalty not to exceed one (1) month's rent. Should the Company improve the moving allowance for employees of another class or craft, the pilots will receive said moving allowance improvements.
Something to look over guys. If the company involuntarily displaces you to a new domicile, you are entitled to the following above. If you bid for the domicile, you are voluntarily moving there. Involuntary is defined as not on your bid preference.
Terks43 is trying to scare you. You have rights to not be displaced to another domicile. Companies would do this in the past to shake up the seniority by closing bases then opening them back up. This is why this language is in the contract. The company can’t expect you to just pick up and move on their terms without compensation. If you are involuntarily awarded IAD, use the language of the contract to make sure they compensate you. Don’t commute on reserve. IAD is going to be a 175 base soon enough anyways. Probably roll right into a E175 type by the spring.
09-19-2020 | 07:30 AM
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23-D Displacement
23-D-1 When a reduction in the number of permanent positions takes place, the Company will notify all pilots. The Company will post the anticipated number of displacements including the status, equipment and domicile. Said displacement posting will indicate a bid closing time and date which will not be less than seven (7) days after posting.
23-D-2 Pilotsinthepositionsaffectedmaybevoluntarilydispla cedintheir order of preference in accordance with their system seniority. Pilots wishing to be voluntarily displaced shall so indicate on a Standing/Displacement bid form. If a pilot so indicates, he is stating he wishes to have his displacement preferences processed in seniority order prior to the process of reverse seniority order displacements.
23-D-3 A voluntarily displaced pilot will have the same vacancy and/or displacement rights as the pilot who would have been displaced, including, but not limited to, Section 5 "Expenses" and the provisions of this section. The most senior volunteer will use the most senior displaced-pilot's rights.
23-D-4 The Company will award voluntary displacements first. If reductions still remain, pilots will be involuntarily displaced in reverse seniority order.
23-D-5 Displaced from Domicile
23-D-5-a A pilot will be considered displaced from his domicile when he can no longer hold a position in that domicile in his status and equipment, but he can hold a position in that status and equipment system wide. When a pilot is displaced from his domicile as the result of a reduction or geographic relocation of pilot positions(s) he will have the following options in accordance with his seniority:
23-D-5-a-(1) Remain or return to (for up to 6 months) his current domicile in any status or equipment; or
23-D-5-a-(2) Occupy any position in his same status and equipment.
23-D-5-a-(3) Pilots displacing under Section 23-D-5-a above and pilots in that same status and equipment with standing or displacement bids for that status and equipment will be awarded or assigned concurrently, in order of seniority. Only after those pilots in the same status and equipment are awarded or assigned their positions will any remaining vacancies be awarded to pilots who
require training for the vacancy.
5-I Moving Expenses
5-I-1 An eligible pilot shall receive moving expenses (including shipping (excluding pack/unpack) and insurance) for household and personal goods based upon weight, not to exceed 9,000 pounds, from the previous domicile (provided such location is the pilot's principal residence) to the new domicile, or the pilot's principal residence to the new domicile, whichever is shorter. Moves under this section shall be coordinated through a Company approved moving vendor(s) and a designated Company representative.
5-I-2 In lieu of the moving expense in 5-I-1 above, the Company will reimburse an eligible pilot for the cost of a pre-approved self-move vehicle and associated expenses (fuel, boxes, packing supplies, hotel computed at one night for every 350 miles traveled up to three nights). Additionally, if a pilot elects this option, he shall be eligible for a five hundred-dollar ($500) allowance for incidentals. Moving expenses under this section shall be from the previous domicile (provided such location is the pilot's principal residence) to the new domicile, or the pilot's principal residence to the new domicile, whichever is shorter. Moves under this section will be coordinated through a Company approved self-move vendor.
5-I-3 Moving expenses as outlined in this subsection
5-I shall only be compensated upon proof of moving expenses incurred in moving.
5-J-2 If a lease is broken as a result of an involuntary move to a new domicile, and a penalty (which can be documented) is incurred, the Company will pay the penalty not to exceed one (1) month's rent. Should the Company improve the moving allowance for employees of another class or craft, the pilots will receive said moving allowance improvements.
Something to look over guys. If the company involuntarily displaces you to a new domicile, you are entitled to the following above. If you bid for the domicile, you are voluntarily moving there. Involuntary is defined as not on your bid preference.
23-D-1 When a reduction in the number of permanent positions takes place, the Company will notify all pilots. The Company will post the anticipated number of displacements including the status, equipment and domicile. Said displacement posting will indicate a bid closing time and date which will not be less than seven (7) days after posting.
23-D-2 Pilotsinthepositionsaffectedmaybevoluntarilydispla cedintheir order of preference in accordance with their system seniority. Pilots wishing to be voluntarily displaced shall so indicate on a Standing/Displacement bid form. If a pilot so indicates, he is stating he wishes to have his displacement preferences processed in seniority order prior to the process of reverse seniority order displacements.
23-D-3 A voluntarily displaced pilot will have the same vacancy and/or displacement rights as the pilot who would have been displaced, including, but not limited to, Section 5 "Expenses" and the provisions of this section. The most senior volunteer will use the most senior displaced-pilot's rights.
23-D-4 The Company will award voluntary displacements first. If reductions still remain, pilots will be involuntarily displaced in reverse seniority order.
23-D-5 Displaced from Domicile
23-D-5-a A pilot will be considered displaced from his domicile when he can no longer hold a position in that domicile in his status and equipment, but he can hold a position in that status and equipment system wide. When a pilot is displaced from his domicile as the result of a reduction or geographic relocation of pilot positions(s) he will have the following options in accordance with his seniority:
23-D-5-a-(1) Remain or return to (for up to 6 months) his current domicile in any status or equipment; or
23-D-5-a-(2) Occupy any position in his same status and equipment.
23-D-5-a-(3) Pilots displacing under Section 23-D-5-a above and pilots in that same status and equipment with standing or displacement bids for that status and equipment will be awarded or assigned concurrently, in order of seniority. Only after those pilots in the same status and equipment are awarded or assigned their positions will any remaining vacancies be awarded to pilots who
require training for the vacancy.
5-I Moving Expenses
5-I-1 An eligible pilot shall receive moving expenses (including shipping (excluding pack/unpack) and insurance) for household and personal goods based upon weight, not to exceed 9,000 pounds, from the previous domicile (provided such location is the pilot's principal residence) to the new domicile, or the pilot's principal residence to the new domicile, whichever is shorter. Moves under this section shall be coordinated through a Company approved moving vendor(s) and a designated Company representative.
5-I-2 In lieu of the moving expense in 5-I-1 above, the Company will reimburse an eligible pilot for the cost of a pre-approved self-move vehicle and associated expenses (fuel, boxes, packing supplies, hotel computed at one night for every 350 miles traveled up to three nights). Additionally, if a pilot elects this option, he shall be eligible for a five hundred-dollar ($500) allowance for incidentals. Moving expenses under this section shall be from the previous domicile (provided such location is the pilot's principal residence) to the new domicile, or the pilot's principal residence to the new domicile, whichever is shorter. Moves under this section will be coordinated through a Company approved self-move vendor.
5-I-3 Moving expenses as outlined in this subsection
5-I shall only be compensated upon proof of moving expenses incurred in moving.
5-J-2 If a lease is broken as a result of an involuntary move to a new domicile, and a penalty (which can be documented) is incurred, the Company will pay the penalty not to exceed one (1) month's rent. Should the Company improve the moving allowance for employees of another class or craft, the pilots will receive said moving allowance improvements.
Something to look over guys. If the company involuntarily displaces you to a new domicile, you are entitled to the following above. If you bid for the domicile, you are voluntarily moving there. Involuntary is defined as not on your bid preference.
By the way, you should have your apartment already picked out in northern Virginia, the move is in 10 days after all.
What do you mean you haven’t looked at places yet? You are moving in ten days! Are you insane?
09-19-2020 | 07:36 AM
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Cool, you ready to move to Dulles in 10 days time? Didn’t think so. Pack them bags, it’s coming if it’s voted down. But hey, it’s okay the company will pay for the lowest bidder to move your crap, just a 50/50 chance on of them gets drunk or high and your belongings end up at the bottom of the Mississippi just outside of Memphis. But hey! What’s life without a little bit of muddy water snorkeling.
Company will most likely put more people on reserve and deadhead you to sit in IAD and DFW. If you ask me that’s a win win. Displacement bid won’t take affect until next bid cycle. November or December most likely.
Terks43’s is the new leader of the babysharks. Don’t cry!
09-19-2020 | 07:40 AM
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They do not arrange your moving, per the contract. Read it. Also, they have to provide time for you to move. It’s not on a 10 day notice. A displacement bid hasn’t even been released yet. S T F U, and call your rep if you have questions. Sorry you are facing downgrade bro but tossing out improper information isn’t going to help calm anyone. VOTE NO. Company will not share any of these details with you because they don’t want to pay you to move, but it’s within your rights. Know the contract. Make sure you keep your bid only for the place you want to be and don’t just add every base. Needs to be involuntary
Company will most likely put more people on reserve and deadhead you to sit in IAD and DFW. If you ask me that’s a win win. Displacement bid won’t take affect until next bid cycle. November or December most likely.
Company will most likely put more people on reserve and deadhead you to sit in IAD and DFW. If you ask me that’s a win win. Displacement bid won’t take affect until next bid cycle. November or December most likely.
5-I Moving Expenses
5-I-1 An eligible pilot shall receive moving expenses (including shipping (excluding pack/unpack) and insurance) for household and personal goods based upon weight, not to exceed 9,000 pounds, from the previous domicile (provided such location is the pilot's principal residence) to the new domicile, or the pilot's principal residence to the new domicile, whichever is shorter. Moves under this section shall be coordinated through a Company approved moving vendor(s) and a designated Company representative.
09-19-2020 | 07:43 AM
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5-I Moving Expenses
5-I-1 An eligible pilot shall receive moving expenses (including shipping (excluding pack/unpack) and insurance) for household and personal goods based upon weight, not to exceed 9,000 pounds, from the previous domicile (provided such location is the pilot's principal residence) to the new domicile, or the pilot's principal residence to the new domicile, whichever is shorter. Moves under this section shall be coordinated through a Company approved moving vendor(s) and a designated Company representative.
5-I-1 An eligible pilot shall receive moving expenses (including shipping (excluding pack/unpack) and insurance) for household and personal goods based upon weight, not to exceed 9,000 pounds, from the previous domicile (provided such location is the pilot's principal residence) to the new domicile, or the pilot's principal residence to the new domicile, whichever is shorter. Moves under this section shall be coordinated through a Company approved moving vendor(s) and a designated Company representative.
Does not say selected, vendors is plural bro
09-19-2020 | 07:45 AM
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A business exists to make money, that’s it. How do you make as much money as possible? You pay as little as possible for everything, that includes movers. Why on earth would you assume any different? Are you that ignorant as to what a business actually is?
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