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12-17-2020, 10:42 AM

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brocklee9000

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Originally Posted by coodrough568

wasn’t it always “at the discretion of the company and ALPA”??

cant they agree to keep it in place

That's kinda what they did over here at OO. Our not-a-union made an MOU for 6 months, then the not-a-union unanimously agreed upon and announced they extended it for another 6 months. Not here to debate dubious effectiveness of temporary agreements at any company, but there's literally nothing to stop them from going "oh things still suck, so, we're doing it again." I'm curious to see how people like JetBlue do next year (i.e. will they furlough, snap back, or extend).

12-17-2020, 02:24 PM

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mjpilot

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Originally Posted by brocklee9000

You guys still offering 40ish hours for LOA's?

12-17-2020, 03:24 PM

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20sx

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wasn’t it always “at the discretion of the company and ALPA”??

cant they agree to keep it in place

The MOU ends at the end of the month. Ask your rep, he'll back that up.
Lines that come out soon all have min 76 hours also.

12-17-2020, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 20sx

The MOU ends at the end of the month. Ask your rep, he'll back that up.
Lines that come out soon all have min 76 hours also.

Wasn’t max 120? I expect some higher credit lines.

12-17-2020, 06:49 PM

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Wasn’t max 120? I expect some higher credit lines.

Wouldn't surprise me, there always some who get high credit every time.

12-17-2020, 09:27 PM

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ChickenChicken

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Originally Posted by brocklee9000

I'm I'm afraid Breeze will be used to "Whipsaw" my buddies at Blue

12-18-2020, 08:20 PM

#1727

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I'm I'm afraid Breeze will be used to "Whipsaw" my buddies at Blue

And how exactly do you think that will happen?

12-19-2020, 06:12 AM

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Hedley

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the same way any whipsaw works... they hold Breeze over their heads and threaten to reduce pay, give up QOL or give the flying to Breeze

That’s called competition. Jet Blue and Breeze are free to compete for revenue since they are stand alone entities. The regionals are subcontractors who are totally dependent on the legacies for their existence. Jet Blue and Breeze can freely compete for the same market as the legacies and LCC’s, while the regionals can be played against each other by the parent company since they can’t.

12-19-2020, 06:44 AM

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Which kinda makes you wonder why there is only an appetite for anti-dumping duties and not anti-dumping laws for general domestic business.

12-19-2020, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by captive apple

Which kinda makes you wonder why there is only an appetite for anti-dumping duties and not anti-dumping laws for general domestic business.

Not at all. It’s not “dumping” just because you don’t like the pay rates. That’s just competition. There’s simply no need for a startup like Breeze to pay anything more than even what Mesa is paying, tbh. We’ve got a historic glut of pilots on the street (or soon to be on the street). There’s literally a cottage recruitment scheme for hiring furloughed pilots to drive delivery vans and semis. It’s awful but that’s the way it is. Blame Covid, not “management.”