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06-11-2022 | 12:58 PM
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The company position in negotiations is “we have no control over scheduling” so —> no trip/duty rigs
The company position is “our CPA margins are thin” —> so no raises beyond industry lowest
The company position is “we will include goodies in the PWA you want” —-> while never planning to deliver them, see: Aggressive Pickup
The company position is “we want you on a new vacation system” —-> they lied about what they were giving pilots
THE COMPANY LIES.
Your MEC negotiations team has to present an honest, and reasonable face on behalf of the pilot group. The company has zero responsibility to be truthful, honest or compassionate. The negotiators do the best they can and are constrained by their need to act professionally and legally in accordance with the RLA; the company only cares about how to profit by misdirection and untruth.
Vote for the TA or not, I no longer have a dog in this fight, but I’ve seen the sausage being made and had them lie to my face.
The company position is “our CPA margins are thin” —> so no raises beyond industry lowest
The company position is “we will include goodies in the PWA you want” —-> while never planning to deliver them, see: Aggressive Pickup
The company position is “we want you on a new vacation system” —-> they lied about what they were giving pilots
THE COMPANY LIES.
Your MEC negotiations team has to present an honest, and reasonable face on behalf of the pilot group. The company has zero responsibility to be truthful, honest or compassionate. The negotiators do the best they can and are constrained by their need to act professionally and legally in accordance with the RLA; the company only cares about how to profit by misdirection and untruth.
Vote for the TA or not, I no longer have a dog in this fight, but I’ve seen the sausage being made and had them lie to my face.
For what its worth this is why I’m trying to really avoid slamming the union. I honestly believe at the end of the day that most if not all of the neg reps have the interests of the pilot group in mind. Unfortunately they got outdid.
06-11-2022 | 05:46 PM
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$90 starting pay at Envoy and they come at us with just over 50%. I can only laugh..or cry. Like I said, do better (way better) or just close the doors now. This ship is sinking (basically sunk) if this passes. Nobody will come or stay here.
06-11-2022 | 06:04 PM
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The company position in negotiations is “we have no control over scheduling” so —> no trip/duty rigs
The company position is “our CPA margins are thin” —> so no raises beyond industry lowest
The company position is “we will include goodies in the PWA you want” —-> while never planning to deliver them, see: Aggressive Pickup
The company position is “we want you on a new vacation system” —-> they lied about what they were giving pilots
THE COMPANY LIES.
Your MEC negotiations team has to present an honest, and reasonable face on behalf of the pilot group. The company has zero responsibility to be truthful, honest or compassionate. The negotiators do the best they can and are constrained by their need to act professionally and legally in accordance with the RLA; the company only cares about how to profit by misdirection and untruth.
Vote for the TA or not, I no longer have a dog in this fight, but I’ve seen the sausage being made and had them lie to my face.
The company position is “our CPA margins are thin” —> so no raises beyond industry lowest
The company position is “we will include goodies in the PWA you want” —-> while never planning to deliver them, see: Aggressive Pickup
The company position is “we want you on a new vacation system” —-> they lied about what they were giving pilots
THE COMPANY LIES.
Your MEC negotiations team has to present an honest, and reasonable face on behalf of the pilot group. The company has zero responsibility to be truthful, honest or compassionate. The negotiators do the best they can and are constrained by their need to act professionally and legally in accordance with the RLA; the company only cares about how to profit by misdirection and untruth.
Vote for the TA or not, I no longer have a dog in this fight, but I’ve seen the sausage being made and had them lie to my face.
06-11-2022 | 08:49 PM
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06-11-2022 | 08:53 PM
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Mesa doesn’t have the deep pockets that rhe Wholly owned have. Vote no and we lose money until we get a marginally higher offer and it’ll take years to make that money back.
either way it goes - last one out turn off the lights.
06-11-2022 | 08:56 PM
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Yes there is. Money. They don’t have it. They can’t just raise the rates they charge AA and UA - contracts you know. On your way out a no vote only screws those still here. Don’t be a dick. Just abstain.
06-11-2022 | 09:02 PM
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continue at sub standard wages while you renegotiate for a pittance more. It’ll take years to make that up. You don’t screw the mec. You don’t screw the company. You just screw your self.
if the new contract doesn’t stem the tide the company will come to the union with more. It’s what AA has done.
06-11-2022 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by pangolin;[url=tel:3439135
3439135]no means - I don’t want a raise. I am happy to
continue at sub standard wages while you renegotiate for a pittance more. It’ll take years to make that up. You don’t screw the mec. You don’t screw the company. You just screw your self.
if the new contract doesn’t stem the tide the company will come to the union with more. It’s what AA has done.
continue at sub standard wages while you renegotiate for a pittance more. It’ll take years to make that up. You don’t screw the mec. You don’t screw the company. You just screw your self.
if the new contract doesn’t stem the tide the company will come to the union with more. It’s what AA has done.
No vote means while I don’t plan on staying here, it could and has happened where people stay where they don’t want to.
No vote means I’m demanding what I’m worth, and what others around me are worth.
No vote means I’m not in support of abrogating seniority.
No vote means I don’t accept other pilots flying planes that Mesa owns for rates better than us.
06-12-2022 | 04:32 AM
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Envoy jump is temporary. 2 years. Then it goes back to current rates. And it goes to 2029. More interesting is ca pay at 750 hours.
Mesa doesn’t have the deep pockets that rhe Wholly owned have. Vote no and we lose money until we get a marginally higher offer and it’ll take years to make that money back.
either way it goes - last one out turn off the lights.
Mesa doesn’t have the deep pockets that rhe Wholly owned have. Vote no and we lose money until we get a marginally higher offer and it’ll take years to make that money back.
either way it goes - last one out turn off the lights.
so, while the huge amazing premium pay is temporary, they don’t revert to the original rates. There were some improvements to the base pay.
