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06-12-2022 | 08:22 AM
#91
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From: CRJ9 CA
No vote means I’m trying to leave this place better for those behind me.
No vote means while I don’t plan on staying here, it could and has happened where people stay where they don’t want to.
No vote means I’m demanding what I’m worth, and what others around me are worth.
No vote means I’m not in support of abrogating seniority.
No vote means I don’t accept other pilots flying planes that Mesa owns for rates better than us.
No vote means while I don’t plan on staying here, it could and has happened where people stay where they don’t want to.
No vote means I’m demanding what I’m worth, and what others around me are worth.
No vote means I’m not in support of abrogating seniority.
No vote means I don’t accept other pilots flying planes that Mesa owns for rates better than us.
06-12-2022 | 08:28 AM
#92
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From: CRJ F/O
problem and a major concession when we should not be taking any concession in the environment.
06-12-2022 | 08:32 AM
#93
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From: CRJ9 CA
Using easy numbers.
If the negotiation takes 6 months that’s 6 months i am not getting the 15 an hour bump. At min credit that’s 1140 a month. Say we get to 20. 5 more. That’s 3 months to make up the loss. 1140/5 /76.
so every month of delay will take 3 months to make it up. If it takes a year to get the extra 5 an hour it’ll take 3 years to just break even on what I could have had. If negotiators go 18 months then it’s a total loss because the contract will be amenable before we break even.
That’s why I say it’ll take years - not to negotiate but to break even with what we lose while we negotiate.
not saying they can’t do better.
So how much better does it have to be to make the wait worthwhile?
06-12-2022 | 09:15 AM
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Math:
Using easy numbers.
If the negotiation takes 6 months that’s 6 months i am not getting the 15 an hour bump. At min credit that’s 1140 a month. Say we get to 20. 5 more. That’s 3 months to make up the loss. 1140/5 /76.
so every month of delay will take 3 months to make it up. If it takes a year to get the extra 5 an hour it’ll take 3 years to just break even on what I could have had. If negotiators go 18 months then it’s a total loss because the contract will be amenable before we break even.
That’s why I say it’ll take years - not to negotiate but to break even with what we lose while we negotiate.
not saying they can’t do better.
So how much better does it have to be to make the wait worthwhile?
Using easy numbers.
If the negotiation takes 6 months that’s 6 months i am not getting the 15 an hour bump. At min credit that’s 1140 a month. Say we get to 20. 5 more. That’s 3 months to make up the loss. 1140/5 /76.
so every month of delay will take 3 months to make it up. If it takes a year to get the extra 5 an hour it’ll take 3 years to just break even on what I could have had. If negotiators go 18 months then it’s a total loss because the contract will be amenable before we break even.
That’s why I say it’ll take years - not to negotiate but to break even with what we lose while we negotiate.
not saying they can’t do better.
So how much better does it have to be to make the wait worthwhile?
06-12-2022 | 09:22 AM
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From: CRJ9 CA
Better than 53% of what the competition will be being paid. Better than $500 a month for below average healthcare. I expanded in another post. The company wins when we approve this trash. If this is seriously the best they can do we will be getting $0 month when they cease operations. There’s no way the money can be this far off. If American and United need to pay more they will if they don’t want to lose our services. I don’t think they can afford to lose our planes, but if they can oh well. If we accept this trash, the company will most likely be getting more anyway-there’s no way they won’t be, and we will have been screwed yet again.
06-12-2022 | 09:22 AM
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Oh my god. You are the biggest wet dream for airline management I have ever seen.
06-12-2022 | 10:14 AM
#97
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06-12-2022 | 11:58 AM
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Just here for the weekly laughs. JO and your union reps think you are worth at most $124/hour. That’s worth a lateral move. And majors are hiring anyone with a pulse. Mesa lifers have very much so ruined the place. Let me know if you need a rec.
06-12-2022 | 11:59 AM
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06-12-2022 | 02:59 PM
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From: CRJ F/O
Better than 53% of what the competition will be being paid. Better than $500 a month for below average healthcare. I expanded in another post. The company wins when we approve this trash. If this is seriously the best they can do we will be getting $0 month when they cease operations. There’s no way the money can be this far off. If American and United need to pay more they will if they don’t want to lose our services. I don’t think they can afford to lose our planes, but if they can oh well. If we accept this trash, the company will most likely be getting more anyway-there’s no way they won’t be, and we will have been screwed yet again.
there is more going on here than just money. Why did we make a concession on the 737’s? Why the fuzzy math on the perdiem ? it’s a 3 cent increase, but it’s LIKE $1.90 an hour if you factor in the iPad. One is a payment for providing our own iPads...per diem is for expenses. It's smoke and mirrors - it feels intentionally mis leading. And nothing for the “best” insurance plans? How about a commitment from the company to at least not raise the current outrageous premiums for the length of the contract? We’ve had a lousy deal for years, I can wait another few months (and I don’t believe it will take that long - JO needs a deal too.).
