Most other? I know 4 total yes votes. Two on here and one is CG so there you have it. Seriously if you vote yes on this trash I sure as h don’t ever want to be flying a plane with you. I seriously question your judgment.

 

It just amazes me that people still reply to his posts. Maybe look at the username you are respond to?

 

I’m pragmatic. The money to pay for this TA came from UA and AA. To get more Mesa will have to get it from them. I’m dubious as to their timely success. So I’m saying it’s a gamble to wait. How much more do you expect to get by when? Is that a financial gain or loss? To me the gamble isn’t worth the Risk.

I am looking at this in the context of Mesa and their financials and what’s possible and what’s probable. What AA can do with its WO airlines is not what Mesa can do. Is there more money to be had? Probably. Is it enough to make it with the wait to get it? Doubtful.

You and I have flown together.

 

You and I usually agree. This time you are detrimentally wrong. Don’t take soft sheets and comfort. Stand for the right thing.

 

When are you guys set to vote?

 

Voting in progress.

 

So convince me. Votes are not in stone. They can be changed. Tell me the benefits of a no vote. What do you expect to happen with a no vote and why. I’ve told you my selfish reasons for a yes vote - we lose money on any delay, coming recession, mesa cannot offer more dollars without getting them from one or more if their customers and that can’t happen fast enough. I think people have a misconception about just what Mesa is and fee for departure in general. Right or wrong the culture is up and out. It’s a company that provides bodies. It’s goal is to be the absolute cheapest for its customers. Absolute cheapest. Read that again. Since the only expense is the bodies then that expense has to be kept low. They will not increase our pay beyond the bottom. Our goal is to get to the top of the bottom. I think we are CLOSE ENOUGH that any more we can eeek out will just be a net loss because of the delay to get it. Convince me I’m wrong.

 

Maintenance is the biggest expense. By far. These were JO’s words he used to my face in the crew room. Not being able to hire and retain pilots will further Mesa’s impressive cancellation rates. I can only imagine that every cancelled flight costs a significant amount. Those losses are preventable with reasonable pay.

 

All fair points.

Up until Covid there were a million reasons why it would be “impossible” to work from home. Suddenly, all that changed and the powers that be couldn’t say impossible anymore, or they’d have to shut the doors. Isn’t it crazy how magical changes like that suddenly happen when the folks at the top are looking at losing everything?

It’s no secret that JO’s not going hungry through any of this. So let’s see him earn that nice compensation package. The fee for departure model means when there’s a sea change we pilots shouldn’t be the ones at the negotiating table, JO should. And how can he negotiate with United if this TA passes? That just proves that the market is working and we’re getting paid enough.

Now if it comes back a resounding no, it’s clear to the money printers at UA that something is going to have to give, or mesa will be no more and that’s bad for business. Voting no gives our management the tools they need to say ‘we have to pay our pilots more but we can’t afford to.’ Voting yes (and I get the selfish reasons because I could really use the scratch right now) is the worst thing we could possibly do for everyone involved. The payout will be small and short-lived, but the impact will be outsized and long-lasting.

Much like an overpriced car at a dealership with a manager who won’t negotiate, your only choice is to let them see you walk. You’re going to get them talking real numbers. And if they don’t come running after you because there’s truly no room in the deal, you don’t want that car anyway.

I get Mesa is some people’s last and best chance but at the end of the day I truly believe this is a bad deal. And by bad deal I don’t just mean not enough money, I mean It’s a bad deal in the sense that there is more money and better options out there if we hold the line and send a strong message that this kind of contract won’t fly here anymore. Just my perspective, appreciate yours too.

 

Did JO have a heart attack yet ?
haha

Vote No and apply to other commuters ASAP