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Old 06-17-2022 | 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by pangolin
We have to compare apples to apples and negotiations are slow. The survey is actually only about 18 months old and with only 40% turnover it's at least 60% correct. So... comparing to the comparable regionals the deal isn't FANTASTIC but it's not bad and by Mesa standards its pretty phenomenal.

Take the money.
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Old 06-17-2022 | 10:14 AM
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I saw this the other day,

Even with the AAWO pay rates, you are still better off leaving the aawo to frontier/jetblue/southwest/spirit/ or other low-cost major than continuing to stay... even if the pay rate is permanent or you stay until the flow. The earlier you leave to a ULCC, the more money you will make over a decade, 50-100% more. Spirit/frontier guys make a LOT of money if you pick up trips and max out your credits. It really is not at all bad to retire at a ULCC... you will be much happier than AA/United/Delta guys.

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Old 06-17-2022 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Swarley
Thats not really much of a requirement anymore. I moved on with zero TPIC, and lots of people in my class had less than 1000 total jet time. 1000 PIC is a thing of the past, no matter what people are saying.
Very true.
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Old 06-17-2022 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by GoFaster
I’m done with this union. Sending out an email reminding everyone that you have a $750 uniform and luggage allowance? Yeah you get to use up to $750 at crew outfitters and mesa will take it out of your check each month. If I get one more propaganda email… seriously, whose side are you on? That kind of stuff shows what’s really going on here.
Thank you! I was like allowance?? News to me! A free loan that will come out of your paycheck with $500 a month insurance so your take home is $20?? Ah yes ok that makes more sense!
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Old 06-17-2022 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by allthebest
I saw this the other day,

Even with the AAWO pay rates, you are still better off leaving the aawo to frontier/jetblue/southwest/spirit/ or other low-cost major than continuing to stay... even if the pay rate is permanent or you stay until the flow. The earlier you leave to a ULCC, the more money you will make over a decade, 50-100% more. Spirit/frontier guys make a LOT of money if you pick up trips and max out your credits. It really is not at all bad to retire at a ULCC... you will be much happier than AA/United/Delta guys.

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Old 06-17-2022 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by allthebest
I saw this the other day,

Even with the AAWO pay rates, you are still better off leaving the aawo to frontier/jetblue/southwest/spirit/ or other low-cost major than continuing to stay... even if the pay rate is permanent or you stay until the flow. The earlier you leave to a ULCC, the more money you will make over a decade, 50-100% more. Spirit/frontier guys make a LOT of money if you pick up trips and max out your credits. It really is not at all bad to retire at a ULCC... you will be much happier than AA/United/Delta guys.


This is assuming you upgrade at the LCC in 4 years. Aren’t upgrade times at LCCs way higher than that?

Anyways thanks for the chart!
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Old 06-18-2022 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
They don’t get 300% like we MESA pilots do. Easy math what is 48 multiplied by 3?
Except, you know, they do.
What's 90 multiplied by 3?
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Old 06-18-2022 | 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by planejoe
This is assuming you upgrade at the LCC in 4 years. Aren’t upgrade times at LCCs way higher than that?

Anyways thanks for the chart!
Spirit/Frontier is closer to 3 years. You can run the numbers with 8 year upgrade and still come ahead.
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Old 06-18-2022 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
we have a respectful contract proposal that sets the precedent for many years. Go back to your own regional if youre so happy there. We have good proposal and I am a definite yes vote as well as most others.

You gave false information, I corrected it.
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Old 06-18-2022 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
we have a respectful contract proposal that sets the precedent for many years. Go back to your own regional if youre so happy there. We have good proposal and I am a definite yes vote as well as most others.
No one asked you about your vote, move around.
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