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#2531
You really just have to ignore it. They're butthurt.
You can't blame them... How would you feel if you were a 5+ year FO at Skywest or Expressjet and you saw these guys upgrading at another regional in 16 months.
I'm jealous of their quick upgrade but what can I bash them on. Oh yeah, I've never really examined their contract but I hear all over the internet it's not as good as ours so I'll use that.
"Hey I might be a 6 year FO at Skywest but at least my contract is better!" (See I got those Mesa guys good!)
You can't blame them... How would you feel if you were a 5+ year FO at Skywest or Expressjet and you saw these guys upgrading at another regional in 16 months.
I'm jealous of their quick upgrade but what can I bash them on. Oh yeah, I've never really examined their contract but I hear all over the internet it's not as good as ours so I'll use that.
"Hey I might be a 6 year FO at Skywest but at least my contract is better!" (See I got those Mesa guys good!)
I get the quick upgrade thing, but I'm not jealous. If I was looking to get hired right now I would, look at Compass and Maybe Mesa because of the upgrade time. But guess what? when I got hired neither of those airlines were hiring and for sure didn't have a quick upgrade, so I chose the airline with the base where I live. Now I drive 20 min to the airport a fly 2/3 days on the 700/900. Life is alright. I'm happy.
I have a good feeling I will get hired elsewhere before I even upgrade. I'm not too concerned about PIC being a big factor in a year or two.
You timed it perfectly, good for you! Me on the other hand had horrible timing, I was furloughed from Eagle and came to SkyWest where the upgrade is seven plus years. oh well. like I said life is good for me. Not much else I can do. I'm not going to leave where I'm comfortable just to chase an upgrade and work for my third airline.
So please don't tell me I'm jealous. Because i'm not.
Thanks.
Last edited by Jet87; 08-20-2014 at 01:53 PM.
#2532
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Sometimes I'd rather be a 6 year FO at SW than a soon to be upgrading FO at Mesa. Depends on the day. I don't think anyone has anything on anyone else in this flyin' racket.
#2533
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You guys will never get it! So long as JO can fill his classes there will never be any need to improve the terrible pay at the regional level! If pilots where only willing to work for the best paying airlines with the best contracts companies like RAH and Mesa would have to shut their doors or pay better! I get it though, it's easy to go to Mesa! Weren't you at RAH before? Your decision making skills are in question! BTW we don't care about your quick upgrade! We do care that these companies pull the ENTIRE airline industry down and that includes mainline, you guys would love the opportunity to fly bigger and bigger equipment for your current wages.... remember when regionals were only turbo prop? Before you know it 737's and A320's will be added to your certificate! When you guys get to mainline are you going to suddenly have a change of heart and fight to protect scope or are you going to continue to say it's out if your hands, that's managements decision?
You guys will never get it! So long as JO can fill his classes there will never be any need to improve the terrible pay at the regional level! If pilots where only willing to work for the best paying airlines with the best contracts companies like RAH and Mesa would have to shut their doors or pay better! I get it though, it's easy to go to Mesa! Weren't you at RAH before? Your decision making skills are in question! BTW we don't care about your quick upgrade! We do care that these companies pull the ENTIRE airline industry down and that includes mainline, you guys would love the opportunity to fly bigger and bigger equipment for your current wages.... remember when regionals were only turbo prop? Before you know it 737's and A320's will be added to your certificate! When you guys get to mainline are you going to suddenly have a change of heart and fight to protect scope or are you going to continue to say it's out if your hands, that's managements decision?
But on an individual level that's not practical. We live in a capitalist society.
What do you expect those of us here or at Republic or any one of the other regionals that you as Jvw700 don't approve of to do? Quit our jobs and suck on unemployment just hoping that no one comes and takes our spot and Mesa or Republic or whoever are forced to raise rates, etc.
Come on man, be realistic, you're living in imagination land. Mesa has a stack of apps 5 feet high right now.
This is about me and my career. The majors are about to start hiring like crazy over the next 10 years and anyway you can make your resume that much better is going to help.
And before you say, "yeah but you don't need turbine pic to get hired," your once again missing the point.
Did I say, "you know, a college degree helps but I heard of so and so get hired at a majors without one so I'm not going to go to college." No I didn't. College was just another way to make me that much more applicable for future employment.
121 PIC can go hand in hand with a college degree, sure neither may be required but both help in getting hired at a major.
I'm not going to sit in the unemployment line or in the right seat of an RJ at Skywest for 7+ years for hoping that one person will help.
Some of you guys have forgotten that the regionals are for getting in, upgrading and getting out. That model is alive and well at Mesa right now and I jumped on the ship before it left the dock.
I'm sorry that some of you have been screwed by 9/11, age 65, the recession or bankruptcies. But don't come on here and knock those of us who have or are having better luck.
#2534
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And with that I rest my case! You'll never get it. Good luck to ya the rest of us will be here trying to hold the line while avoiding the friendly fire! I've just witnessed the epitome of instant gratification!
BTW you wouldn't be in the unemployment line as envoy,compass,expressjet,Skywest have all been hiring.....
BTW you wouldn't be in the unemployment line as envoy,compass,expressjet,Skywest have all been hiring.....
#2536
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And with that I rest my case! You'll never get it. Good luck to ya the rest of us will be here trying to hold the line while avoiding the friendly fire! I've just witnessed the epitome of instant gratification!
BTW you wouldn't be in the unemployment line as envoy,compass,expressjet,Skywest have all been hiring.....
BTW you wouldn't be in the unemployment line as envoy,compass,expressjet,Skywest have all been hiring.....
Delusional yo!
#2539
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We're doing our part bud! It would have been far easier to just vote yes to the latest round of concessions! Something I guess you'll never know about! Weren't you at expressjet before?
#2540
Here's a dose of reality...Regional pay will NEVER EVER be at a rate good enough to make this vitriol, anger and frustration felt by the Regional pilot subside....NEVER! No amount of contract killing votes or the boycotting of applying at "bottomfeeders" will change anything!
The Regionals exist because of low labor costs...Period! For that, you can blame the Legacies who are addicted to this system like a crack wh0re with no teeth!
For the aviator looking to fulfill his dream of commercial airline flying it's the only game in town...unless you're one of the fortunate ones flying Uncle Sam's vast array of bad a$$ toys.
So...guys choose to go to the regional airline that gets them the one thing that they need to GTFO ASAP...TPIC. Right now that happens to be at JO's crib. He's throwing out quick upgrade party favors like a naked, lipstick covered frat guy high on Jaegermeister and X!
If someone's ultimate goal is to make it to a Major, then I wouldn't blame them for tolerating lower than average pay to get there quicker.
The Regionals exist because of low labor costs...Period! For that, you can blame the Legacies who are addicted to this system like a crack wh0re with no teeth!
For the aviator looking to fulfill his dream of commercial airline flying it's the only game in town...unless you're one of the fortunate ones flying Uncle Sam's vast array of bad a$$ toys.
So...guys choose to go to the regional airline that gets them the one thing that they need to GTFO ASAP...TPIC. Right now that happens to be at JO's crib. He's throwing out quick upgrade party favors like a naked, lipstick covered frat guy high on Jaegermeister and X!
If someone's ultimate goal is to make it to a Major, then I wouldn't blame them for tolerating lower than average pay to get there quicker.
Last edited by FlyingPig105; 08-20-2014 at 05:16 PM.
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