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08-20-2014, 08:48 PM
#2551
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Originally Posted by prior121
Why do I understand this analogy uncomfortably well.
lol
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08-20-2014, 08:53 PM
#2552
New Hire
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 2
I've followed this thread for for many months now. I have never seen what immature individuals compare egos just because of contract agreements, aircraft flying, and life style living arrangements. When you graduate from flight school and think your dues are paid just for flight instruction, your dues are not paid until YOU finish the regional airline transition. You all make me sick of your bittering and self fulfillment ideas of being an airline pilot.
You know what you got yourself into applying as a regional airline pilot candidate, just like you knew your what you were getting into as a Flight instructor
Your goal is too move up, not move down and being a regional airline pilot is just a stepping stone. I know a lot of older regional pilots that have taken a position to remain regional captains for life. For many of them, that wasn't a choice. Is that your goal? No, work with them cause they will get you through check rides and give you the ins and outs to become better than them! Appreciate them and understand where they are coming from cause you ungrateful little immature 20 year olds think you deserve the best! Pay your dues! What there experience has nothing to do with your future.
If your brave enough, go part 135! You will be eating your lunch! Go part 91 and you will be begging for a refund for your training!
Im an embalmer and airline pilot, hope to see you at my funeral home!
You know what you got yourself into applying as a regional airline pilot candidate, just like you knew your what you were getting into as a Flight instructor
Your goal is too move up, not move down and being a regional airline pilot is just a stepping stone. I know a lot of older regional pilots that have taken a position to remain regional captains for life. For many of them, that wasn't a choice. Is that your goal? No, work with them cause they will get you through check rides and give you the ins and outs to become better than them! Appreciate them and understand where they are coming from cause you ungrateful little immature 20 year olds think you deserve the best! Pay your dues! What there experience has nothing to do with your future.
If your brave enough, go part 135! You will be eating your lunch! Go part 91 and you will be begging for a refund for your training!
Im an embalmer and airline pilot, hope to see you at my funeral home!
08-20-2014, 09:17 PM
#2553
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: First Officer
Posts: 121
Originally Posted by Smokinrivets
ungrateful little immature 20 year olds
08-20-2014, 09:19 PM
#2554
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Joined APC: Mar 2013
Position: 175 Left
Posts: 1,539
Originally Posted by Smokinrivets
I've followed this thread for for many months now. I have never seen what immature individuals compare egos just because of contract agreements, aircraft flying, and life style living arrangements. When you graduate from flight school and think your dues are paid just for flight instruction, your dues are not paid until YOU finish the regional airline transition. You all make me sick of your bittering and self fulfillment ideas of being an airline pilot.
You know what you got yourself into applying as a regional airline pilot candidate, just like you knew your what you were getting into as a Flight instructor
Your goal is too move up, not move down and being a regional airline pilot is just a stepping stone. I know a lot of older regional pilots that have taken a position to remain regional captains for life. For many of them, that wasn't a choice. Is that your goal? No, work with them cause they will get you through check rides and give you the ins and outs to become better than them! Appreciate them and understand where they are coming from cause you ungrateful little immature 20 year olds think you deserve the best! Pay your dues! What there experience has nothing to do with your future.
If your brave enough, go part 135! You will be eating your lunch! Go part 91 and you will be begging for a refund for your training!
Im an embalmer and airline pilot, hope to see you at my funeral home!
You know what you got yourself into applying as a regional airline pilot candidate, just like you knew your what you were getting into as a Flight instructor
Your goal is too move up, not move down and being a regional airline pilot is just a stepping stone. I know a lot of older regional pilots that have taken a position to remain regional captains for life. For many of them, that wasn't a choice. Is that your goal? No, work with them cause they will get you through check rides and give you the ins and outs to become better than them! Appreciate them and understand where they are coming from cause you ungrateful little immature 20 year olds think you deserve the best! Pay your dues! What there experience has nothing to do with your future.
If your brave enough, go part 135! You will be eating your lunch! Go part 91 and you will be begging for a refund for your training!
Im an embalmer and airline pilot, hope to see you at my funeral home!
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone is now dumber for having read this. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
So you hope to see us at your Funeral Home?
What a strange fellow.
08-20-2014, 09:37 PM
#2555
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Joined APC: Jun 2013
Posts: 196
Weird. And a little cold. I'd say kinda heartless maybe even a little stiff. This thread was a little dead anyway. Thanks for not being cryptic.
08-20-2014, 09:56 PM
#2556
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
Originally Posted by Jvw700
As long as you got yours right?! Screw the rest of the industry!! What happens to those who don't get the quick upgrade? What kind of pay and work rules do they get to endure for years?
Regionals only exist because we provide cheap high-frequency feed for mainline--anytime we try to make our payrates/contracts too close to those at mainline, we obviate ourselves out of existence.
Management knows this, ALPA knows this, and all of us know this (whether we admit it to ourselves or not): we're regional airline pilots--the only reason our jobs exist is because we are cheap.
There are some delusional people in the ranks of ALPA at the regional level who seem to have this utopian vision of regionals making ourselves as expensive as mainline, thus necessitating all of us into the fold of mainline utopia/heaven. It's simply not true, and ALPA national will never, ever let that happen.
You haven't been through a furlough or bankruptcy yet, have you? You seem very new to this industry since you seem to be very emotional about cheaper regionals getting all the flying, as if that's something new or immoral. Ha!
08-20-2014, 10:27 PM
#2557
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Posts: 977
Originally Posted by Jvw700
You guys will never get it! So long as JO can fill his classes there will never be any need to improve the terrible pay at the regional level! If pilots where only willing to work for the best paying airlines with the best contracts companies like RAH and Mesa would have to shut their doors or pay better! I get it though, it's easy to go to Mesa! Weren't you at RAH before? Your decision making skills are in question! BTW we don't care about your quick upgrade! We do care that these companies pull the ENTIRE airline industry down and that includes mainline, you guys would love the opportunity to fly bigger and bigger equipment for your current wages.... remember when regionals were only turbo prop? Before you know it 737's and A320's will be added to your certificate! When you guys get to mainline are you going to suddenly have a change of heart and fight to protect scope or are you going to continue to say it's out if your hands, that's managements decision? We have a longer upgrade because we were not willing to vote for more concessions to match the PSA's and MESA's of the world so at least we are trying to better the industry. I have NO problem with the LEGACY MESA guys either, they were dragged into this mess but mine and everyone else's problem is that people are just ignoring these facts to hopefully get a quick upgrade and the hell with everyone else!
Wahhhhhh. I'm stuck at a stagnant, dying regional and I'm too lazy and/or incompetent to get out of here. Wahhhhhh. Instead of taking any initiative whatsoever to improve my situation in life, I will spend my time on the internets, berating people for leaving their previous crappy, dying regional for another one with better upgrade times/prospects. Wahhhhhh. Everyone else should not accept job offers/quick upgrades because I am special and deserve to keep my cushy job at MY regional. Wahhhhhhhh. You're hurting my feeeeelinggggs.
Pilots at mainline decide what kind of equipment we operate. Pilots at mainline decide what they are paid to fly 737s & A320s, etc.. Choosing to fly for Mesa or not fly for Mesa has zero impact on contract leverage, QOL, or payrates at mainline.
The decision to start class with a regional comes down to:
1) Contract/pay
2) Bases
3) Expected growth/progression/estimated upgrade times
For whatever reason, Mesa's combination of 1, 2, & 3 is filling classes at the moment. It is insulting, selfish, and un-American of you to demand that other free-willed citizens compromise on their individual criteria for selecting a regional employer, all because you're mad about your own personal choices/trajectory in life.
Get over yourself--get over it and go do something more constructive with your time!
Last edited by flapshalfspeed; 08-20-2014 at 11:08 PM.
08-21-2014, 04:32 AM
#2559
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Ag pilot
Posts: 32
Does Mesa provide you with any material before your training starts to maybe get a few things memorized or a jump on things? How are instructors in new hire class, really helpful?
08-21-2014, 04:50 AM
#2560
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 584
Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
Wahhhhhh. I'm stuck at a stagnant, dying regional and I'm too lazy and/or incompetent to get out of here. Wahhhhhh. Instead of taking any initiative whatsoever to improve my situation in life, I will spend my time on the internets, berating people for leaving their previous crappy, dying regional for another one with better upgrade times/prospects. Wahhhhhh. Everyone else should not accept job offers/quick upgrades because I am special and deserve to keep my cushy job at MY regional. Wahhhhhhhh. You're hurting my feeeeelinggggs.
Pilots at mainline decide what kind of equipment we operate. Pilots at mainline decide what they are paid to fly 737s & A320s, etc.. Choosing to fly for Mesa or not fly for Mesa has zero impact on contract leverage, QOL, or payrates at mainline.
The decision to start class with a regional comes down to:
1) Contract/pay
2) Bases
3) Expected growth/progression/estimated upgrade times
For whatever reason, Mesa's combination of 1, 2, & 3 is filling classes at the moment. It is insulting, selfish, and un-American of you to demand that other free-willed citizens compromise on their individual criteria for selecting a regional employer, all because you're mad about your own personal choices/trajectory in life.
Get over yourself--get over it and go do something more constructive with your time!
Pilots at mainline decide what kind of equipment we operate. Pilots at mainline decide what they are paid to fly 737s & A320s, etc.. Choosing to fly for Mesa or not fly for Mesa has zero impact on contract leverage, QOL, or payrates at mainline.
The decision to start class with a regional comes down to:
1) Contract/pay
2) Bases
3) Expected growth/progression/estimated upgrade times
For whatever reason, Mesa's combination of 1, 2, & 3 is filling classes at the moment. It is insulting, selfish, and un-American of you to demand that other free-willed citizens compromise on their individual criteria for selecting a regional employer, all because you're mad about your own personal choices/trajectory in life.
Get over yourself--get over it and go do something more constructive with your time!
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