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11-08-2013 | 10:14 AM
#551
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Should we have guys and gals in the left seat of a E175 in less than two years. Looking at some of the new hires that have been new on property thats a scary scenerio. Most are pretty good pilots. But alot have been slipping through training that have no business being in a jet right now.
11-08-2013 | 10:41 AM
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It's all good until you get a Captain that shouldn't be in the left seat, but is, do to attrition. Then a new hire that slipped through the training do to attrition. Both with 1.5 years between them, flying a fairly large regional jet. Throw them in a situation, where top notch decision making and experience is needed. And Houston we have a problem.
11-08-2013 | 11:23 AM
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It's all good until you get a Captain that shouldn't be in the left seat, but is, do to attrition. Then a new hire that slipped through the training do to attrition. Both with 1.5 years between them, flying a fairly large regional jet. Throw them in a situation, where top notch decision making and experience is needed. And Houston we have a problem.
11-08-2013 | 11:43 AM
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At least the FO might have 1500hrs of banner tow time.
11-08-2013 | 12:03 PM
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Should we have guys and gals in the left seat of a E175 in less than two years. Looking at some of the new hires that have been new on property thats a scary scenerio. Most are pretty good pilots. But alot have been slipping through training that have no business being in a jet right now.
Mesa has hired pilots with 500hours before, now it's 1500h. So in theory it's better correct?
And this time it's going to be E175 instead of crj900....Isn't the 175 easier to fly as I keep reading on here?
11-08-2013 | 12:43 PM
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Its not about flight time. You either have it or you don't. I have never flown the 175 but it is still a high performance jet that will be flown in and around thunderstorms and smaller airports in blowing snow conditions. Yes the 175 is very automated but that can be a problem as well. Asiana 214 and Air France 447 to name a few recent accidents. The advanced automation was a factor in both.
11-08-2013 | 12:49 PM
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Its not about flight time. You either have it or you don't. I have never flown the 175 but it is still a high performance jet that will be flown in and around thunderstorms and smaller airports in blowing snow conditions. Yes the 175 is very automated but that can be a problem as well. Asiana 214 and Air France 447 to name a few recent accidents. The advanced automation was a factor in both.
11-08-2013 | 01:25 PM
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Well im sitting here shooting the shinola with the senior captains. We are seeing, unable to plan a decent, unable to land the aircraft, poor communication and deer in the headlight moments. Two instances of low and slow on approach that would have ended 500ft. short of the runway until the captain took the airplane. One guy even being a butt about it saying that I had it, the captain replying that if you don't land on the runway, its called a crash.
11-08-2013 | 04:52 PM
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I agree with Skillett 100%. Being based in IAD (new hire central) I've seen first hand some of the "slippage through the cracks"...I understand that they are new, I understand that they are learning, I understand that they have 1500 hours, I understand that I was new, and I hope to be new again somewhere bigger...I GET IT...but attitude goes along way as well. Some of these guys are humble and you want to go out of your way to help them, others not so much. It makes a big difference over the course of a 4 day trip.
Needless to say, every trip now is approached much differently than in years past, when all the FOs were downgraded CAs and had tons of experience. It's a steep learning curve, for both of us, lol.
Needless to say, every trip now is approached much differently than in years past, when all the FOs were downgraded CAs and had tons of experience. It's a steep learning curve, for both of us, lol.
11-08-2013 | 05:41 PM
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Well im sitting here shooting the shinola with the senior captains. We are seeing, unable to plan a decent, unable to land the aircraft, poor communication and deer in the headlight moments. Two instances of low and slow on approach that would have ended 500ft. short of the runway until the captain took the airplane. One guy even being a butt about it saying that I had it, the captain replying that if you don't land on the runway, its called a crash.
I don't think as professionals this kind of stuff should be openly discussed on public forums.
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