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03-03-2015 | 04:18 PM
#7091
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Just saw on our envoy forum that MESA is offering to make the majority of each current ATP Flight School IPs loan payment, if they sign with MESA. Nice move.
03-03-2015 | 04:56 PM
#7092
New Hire
Joined: Feb 2015
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From: EMB 145 RS
Republic to Mesa
Thanks guys I appreciate your input. I still am not sure what I should do considering Republic isnt such a bad Regional. Its really just the commute/Reserve thats destroying me. I've got a few more days to think about it... How many days off a month are you guys with lines getting?
03-03-2015 | 05:17 PM
#7093
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IAD 15 with a line
03-03-2015 | 06:44 PM
#7094
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Thanks guys I appreciate your input. I still am not sure what I should do considering Republic isnt such a bad Regional. Its really just the commute/Reserve thats destroying me. I've got a few more days to think about it... How many days off a month are you guys with lines getting?
03-03-2015 | 06:46 PM
#7095
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From: ERJ CA
No. We aren't maxing class capacity and there are a few no shows, but I haven't heard of one person leaving mid ground except the groper. Why would anyone waste time going for a couple weeks to then have to explain to all future employers that you didn't complete a training event? Retarded conjecture/rumorbait at best....troll bait more likely.
03-03-2015 | 07:04 PM
#7096
sippin' dat koolaid
Joined: Jun 2013
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From: gear slinger
Thanks guys I appreciate your input. I still am not sure what I should do considering Republic isnt such a bad Regional. Its really just the commute/Reserve thats destroying me. I've got a few more days to think about it... How many days off a month are you guys with lines getting?
I'm a PHX FO and I've been seeing 12-13 days off on average. Lately we've had enough reserve coverage that you can drop as much as you want. I dropped a four day to get 16 day off in January.
03-03-2015 | 07:42 PM
#7097
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I know that sounds good saying it but.... its just NOT realistic. Thats not how capitalism works. I agree it does suck that the industry has gotten to the point where first year pay is what it is but that's life guys and gals. The ONLY thing that will change that is what the market dictates. Pay, if you have notice has made a turn in an upward trend in the form of bonuses because pilots with 1500 hours and background check that go through are becoming a bit on the unavailable side. No company has raised the actual pay yet because the liability of that would create should we experience another downturn economically.
Pointing fingers at what some other pilot group voted for or not is a futile attempt to put yourselves up on some kind of high horse. Educate yourselves on the bigger picture of how these corporations operate. There are few ways you will see better pay and benefits, one of them being created by the shortage of qualified candidates for the regionals brought on by the 1500 hr rule. This is the best thing legislatively that could have happened in both safety and in what the future implications have on pilot pay. You cant really legislate pay unless you're talking about the minimum wage. A little history, benefits offered by a company were created to draw potential employees to work for them. Pay is not the only factor to being an attractive employer. I don't bring this up to discuss benefits but to point out that during the last economic down turn country wide, businesses had an abundance of potential employees with so many people out of work and looking for employment. They had NO need to create incentives to work for them. Just having a position for whatever crap pay was enough. The mainline carriers found more efficient ways to operate during the recession. A big part of that was to look to the regionals and look for bidders in lower contracts. In short, if PSA said no all AAG would have done is found another regional to take the flying and then you would be complaining about them instead. If its not painfully obvious to you, and I dont think it is, but had Envoy said no again to the last contract that AAG wanted them to have they would have been in probably a 2 year shutting down period where aircraft were shipped off and laid off employees just went to work for these other operations you so dearly hate. As we all know, the planes started being send to other operators right after the no votes. Now if that dosent tell you how little bargaining power Envoy had I dont know what else could. PSA said yes and got a mess load of planes and job security for a long time to come.
If you want to truly improve the Airline industry, stop complaining, pay money into your PAC, tell your buddies to pay into their respective PAC's and get pilots taken off the Railroad Act. That is the ONLY true way any of us will have a voice in contract negotiations. (Probably not going to happen though, politically that is) Of course like I said, one other way is if the market dictates it. If the pilot shortage reaches a fever pitch that the regionals have to start offering better and better pay/benefits to draw potential applicants.
As far as the cheerleading you speak of... I dont see that. What I see is people that work for Mesa or PSA or any of the other "bottom feeders" you speak of see opportunity to further their respective careers. And, to an even more obvious point, maybe its just most advantageous for someone to work for a regional that operates out of their home town as others have said.
If you would like to counter, please offer some actual debate other than pointing out the tired talking points that you ***** about day in and out.
Pointing fingers at what some other pilot group voted for or not is a futile attempt to put yourselves up on some kind of high horse. Educate yourselves on the bigger picture of how these corporations operate. There are few ways you will see better pay and benefits, one of them being created by the shortage of qualified candidates for the regionals brought on by the 1500 hr rule. This is the best thing legislatively that could have happened in both safety and in what the future implications have on pilot pay. You cant really legislate pay unless you're talking about the minimum wage. A little history, benefits offered by a company were created to draw potential employees to work for them. Pay is not the only factor to being an attractive employer. I don't bring this up to discuss benefits but to point out that during the last economic down turn country wide, businesses had an abundance of potential employees with so many people out of work and looking for employment. They had NO need to create incentives to work for them. Just having a position for whatever crap pay was enough. The mainline carriers found more efficient ways to operate during the recession. A big part of that was to look to the regionals and look for bidders in lower contracts. In short, if PSA said no all AAG would have done is found another regional to take the flying and then you would be complaining about them instead. If its not painfully obvious to you, and I dont think it is, but had Envoy said no again to the last contract that AAG wanted them to have they would have been in probably a 2 year shutting down period where aircraft were shipped off and laid off employees just went to work for these other operations you so dearly hate. As we all know, the planes started being send to other operators right after the no votes. Now if that dosent tell you how little bargaining power Envoy had I dont know what else could. PSA said yes and got a mess load of planes and job security for a long time to come.
If you want to truly improve the Airline industry, stop complaining, pay money into your PAC, tell your buddies to pay into their respective PAC's and get pilots taken off the Railroad Act. That is the ONLY true way any of us will have a voice in contract negotiations. (Probably not going to happen though, politically that is) Of course like I said, one other way is if the market dictates it. If the pilot shortage reaches a fever pitch that the regionals have to start offering better and better pay/benefits to draw potential applicants.
As far as the cheerleading you speak of... I dont see that. What I see is people that work for Mesa or PSA or any of the other "bottom feeders" you speak of see opportunity to further their respective careers. And, to an even more obvious point, maybe its just most advantageous for someone to work for a regional that operates out of their home town as others have said.
If you would like to counter, please offer some actual debate other than pointing out the tired talking points that you ***** about day in and out.
The "tired talking points" are being made by you and flapshalfspeed! The facts are if J.O., B.B., and Hulas were unable to staff, they would be forced into offering better pay and benefits! Your very own J.O. has stated the fact that he see's no reason to improve things as long as suckers(aka new hires) keep showing up. Flaps says the majors would just move the flying to other regionals... That's the point, if J.O. and the rest of the "bottom feeders" don't want to lose their contracts, then they'll be forced to move pay and benefits up, instead of being used as an excuse, by management at higher paying regionals to refuse any gains in negotiations!
Once again your refusal to accept the truth is only hurting efforts by your group to make gains. Do you really expect to get a new contract with decent improvements in the near future if they are able to continue staffing without problems?
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03-04-2015 | 03:10 AM
#7098
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The "tired talking points" are being made by you and flapshalfspeed! The facts are if J.O., B.B., and Hulas were unable to staff, they would be forced into offering better pay and benefits! Your very own J.O. has stated the fact that he see's no reason to improve things as long as suckers(aka new hires) keep showing up. Flaps says the majors would just move the flying to other regionals... That's the point, if J.O. and the rest of the "bottom feeders" don't want to lose their contracts, then they'll be forced to move pay and benefits up, instead of being used as an excuse, by management at higher paying regionals to refuse any gains in negotiations!
Once again your refusal to accept the truth is only hurting efforts by your group to make gains. Do you really expect to get a new contract with decent improvements in the near future if they are able to continue staffing without problems?
Once again your refusal to accept the truth is only hurting efforts by your group to make gains. Do you really expect to get a new contract with decent improvements in the near future if they are able to continue staffing without problems?
03-04-2015 | 06:35 AM
#7099
Holds Weds & Thurs Off
Joined: Jan 2011
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From: 88B
Yeah, sorry if I wasn't clear. Some guys from my class got a line the first month out of IOE. They do it to consolidate you. Of course there are notenough lines open to give to everyone. Once you get that 100 hours you will be on reserve and get random flights until you get an actual line.
I see it more possible you were released from training before the roster closed and built a line (13.B.2.A), or there weren't any reserve lines for your base + the month in question. Ref the PBS awards to see about that one.
I hope everyone gets off reserve asap… but consolidation alone doesn't necessarily mean you'll hold a line (all month) as a junior pilot.
03-04-2015 | 08:52 AM
#7100
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5-7 years from now it may be a different story, heck we may even be handing out UAL seniority numbers to freshmen at ERAU. Whatever your fascination is with the "top-notch" hiring methods at the "elite" regionals like Skywest, it's noted, but it still would not have changed the fact that new-hires sometimes make jacka$$ moves and get fired. It happens at every regional, face-to-face interview or not.
I am not saying Mesa pilots are the bottom of the barrel either. Rather, I'm just saying the interview process, or lack thereof, invites people into the company that have no business flying an airliner. Meeting a person face to face can tell you a lot. Not to mention a quick sim ride.
I think it's retarted in any context.
For the sake of your argument hiring a current RJ driver with a clean past, training record and education is not nearly the same as hiring a HS dropout with DUI's and 5 check ride failures who has never seen the inside of a cloud and was working at Chuck E Cheese 24 months ago is not the same thing.
For the sake of your argument hiring a current RJ driver with a clean past, training record and education is not nearly the same as hiring a HS dropout with DUI's and 5 check ride failures who has never seen the inside of a cloud and was working at Chuck E Cheese 24 months ago is not the same thing.
I Felt that the interviewer got to know me a lot better than a standard interview. The phone call was two hours long. They ask more personal questions than any other standard interview that i have done. the Frasca sim is a joke if you ask me. Who hasn't played Microsoft flight sim. I have seen a RAH guy crash the sim and was offered the job in a limo ride back to the airport. And you can always find a gouge online for the written test questions. and if you have your ATP you already took those freaking tests anyway. So i don't see how a traditional interview works any better.
The guy did something douchie during indoc, and is really not indicative of the hiring process.
The point you're missing is that if pilots would stop selling out and working for the "bottom feeders", then those "bottom feeders" would have no choice other than improving the pay and benefits to staff those places! The cheerleading being done for employment with J.O., Hulas, and B.B., etc. is not helpful to the profession, or any employees of those "bottom feeders" in attaining improvements in their respective contracts!
The "tired talking points" are being made by you and flapshalfspeed! The facts are if J.O., B.B., and Hulas were unable to staff, they would be forced into offering better pay and benefits! Your very own J.O. has stated the fact that he see's no reason to improve things as long as suckers(aka new hires) keep showing up. Flaps says the majors would just move the flying to other regionals... That's the point, if J.O. and the rest of the "bottom feeders" don't want to lose their contracts, then they'll be forced to move pay and benefits up, instead of being used as an excuse, by management at higher paying regionals to refuse any gains in negotiations!
Once again your refusal to accept the truth is only hurting efforts by your group to make gains. Do you really expect to get a new contract with decent improvements in the near future if they are able to continue staffing without problems?
Once again your refusal to accept the truth is only hurting efforts by your group to make gains. Do you really expect to get a new contract with decent improvements in the near future if they are able to continue staffing without problems?
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