False statement. Nothing is a mess. They aren't slowing the rate as PSA is still accepting 3 aircraft a month, whether it be a 900 or a 700. They are delaying 6 aircraft by two months. Who cares. There is no staffing problem. There is a captain problem, which is being rectified. You want to talk about mess, look at Mesas performance. Abysmal.

 

It sure sounds like things are a mess over there (PSA). It seems there is a new thread every day talking about what a mess things are. Guys waiting 6 months for IOE, poor pass rates, your union wanting Envoy pilots to come with the aircraft, not being able to fly visual approaches, lack of professionalism, ect. The list goes on. It's all right there in black and white on the 10 different PSA threads. A mess is the best way to describe it.

 

They are showing down the planes by two months. I would define that add a "big old mess". Try "adjustment" to the delivery schedule because we can't upgrade fast enough. Should be caught up in a few months.

 

Those exaggerated, sometimes even fraudulent, threadsare started by Envoy pilots trying to throw a wrench in PSA's growth. Fortunately, they are unsuccessful.

All the information you gave is exaggerated or wrong. The start to finish time frame was 4-5 months, and it will drop very soon since they are stopping FO hiring for a few weeks to catch up. Instead, they will increase the upgrades since we need captains. The poor pass rate was a year ago, in two classes. That problem was fixed. The union wanting envoy pilots to come here? That is completely wrong. Go do your research. Can't fly visual approach? Don't believe everything you read on APC. Lack of professionalism?? ***?

But here's a fact for you: all of the students that we had at the school house that were passed from one instructor to another, are now at Mesa. These were the students that no one wanted. Luckily for you guys, I know a few good guys that went to Mesa as well, not many though.

 

Brownstreaker coming into a Mesa thread and bashing Mesa for no reason other than an Envoy guy getting his panties in a bunch. Classic.

You stay classy PSA. Nah life is good at Mesa, EJETs and quick upgrades, and not at the cost of specifically taking concessions and slapping another pilot group in the face.

Really? Trying to bash us? You're a joke. Don't forget where you work and what you did to Envoy.

MAG getting new airplanes was no more MAG pilots' control than whether the sun will rise tomorrow. We had zero control over that, we are still working under a 2008 bankruptcy contract.

Fact: You did take concessions in a time when airlines are making record profits to steal aircraft from your peers.

Fact: I promise you MAG pilots WOULD NEVER take concessions to steal aircraft from another carrier. Ever.

 

Nice attempt to change the subject completely, and avoid the misinformation that your buddy posted earlier. I came here to correct the lies posted. I probably shouldn't have bashed Mesa pilots, I'm just tired of people posting lies about PSA.

Please don't forget that Mesa is the gold standard when it comes to a concessionary contract, THE industries bottom feeder. PSA's current contract is light years ahead of Mesa. That's a fact.

 

I absolutely love reading post about psa on a thread about another carrier!!! You db are like the kid who doesn't get called in in class because you THINK u know the answer to everything or you would climb up a water tower to defend your companies honor!! Please Send Airplanes (psa) sold out the entire industry to stay alive for their own jobs and now gets upset when someone reminds them!!!!

 

PSA is just a different color turd. A turd that hurt the industry and back stabbed Eagle pilots. We all know what PSA really stands for...

 

Release #02.75
August 27, 2002

ALPA Pledges $2 Million to Mesa Airlines Pilots to Fund Efforts to Secure a Fair Labor Contract

ALPA Pledges $2 Million to Mesa Airlines Pilots to Fund Efforts to Secure a Fair Labor Contract

Do you remember/know what happened? Instead of going on strike, Mesa signed a concessionary contract in 2003 and got most, or all, of the RJs that Piedmont and Allegheny worked to get scope relief for from USAir. Now you might not call that "stealing" but the Mesa pilot group knew what they would get by approving a concessionary contract when they could have held out for better or gone on strike.

 

Pray tell, what did Mesa pilots take concessions to get?