Probies can't run for MEC chair I don't think.

 

Exactly. Even if he could more than likely wouldn't. Just like everyone else on here complaining about change but unwilling to step up. You don't want AH In there again, who's your candidate because if you ask the reps to date there's only one person running that they know about.

 

Just stop. Your blue-sky kumbaya attitude is simply out of blind ignorance. JO has said to many pilots' faces that the reason why he pays so low is because that is what the market dictates. Supply vs. demand. As long as wide eyed new hires fill classes, there is no economic reason to raise pay.

You presumably haven't even finished training, but you already think you're of good authority to decide who "gets it"? You should slow down on spouting your garbage before you know a thing or two about what you're talking about.

To those that spout about how "quick upgrades are alive": how many people actually upgraded in less than a year? 10? 30? I don't study standing bid awards, but it's not enough to sell that to a friend to come here. As others have said, if you were hired in 2013-14 and were able to make short work of the embaressing FO pay scale, great. However, if you come here because it's the only place you could get hired and don't care about the pay... You're a part of the problem, and you're lying to yourself.

The company has been completely unwilling to provide us with improvements in pay, hotels, healthcare, NONREV BENEFITS, interviews/flows or anything else for that matter. Anyone that signs up for a class date today is either 1. A mid-life crisis type 2. Can't get hired elsewhere or 3. Has either done no research, or doesn't value them self as a professional pilot

 

If they want to live on a base that Mesa is stationed or already have their 1000 121 time, it's a better place to be than quite a few regionals. If they just wanted a new type, some experience, and not have to jump through a lot of hoops, and bail after 3 months to their corporate gig, its a good place to be.
All the pilots on property are responsible for Mesa's compensation. We all choose to continue to work here. Pointing your finger at each other for it is stupid. The senior pilots are no better than the new hires in this regard. The only pilots who are doing something about it are the ones leaving.

 

This!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^*

 

Oh horsesh*t. When I came to Mesa, there was really no quick upgrade anywhere but Compass. And it was HARD to get hired there. (2012-2013) Everyone paid about $22-24 an hour, and anyone who had any sort of a "better" contract, and was hiring (XJT) was career suicide due to all the 50 seaters. Mesa offered the same pay as everyone else, no 50 seaters, and some possible growth (only first 9 900s had heen announced, E175s were a strong rumor) on the horizon.

In today's market with 50k first year pay at 9E, $40 hour year one at OO, XJT, S5, YX..... quick upgrades at TSA, PSA, Compass and OO (soon?) you are nothing short of retarded for coming to work here. There are plenty of places you can get hired to fly a shiny new 175 for almost twice as what Mesa pays.

So yes, You New Guy. As long as you are coming to class, you are hurting our ability to get a new contract. And no, iflyRC is wrong, it's not every other pilot on properties fault. The times were different when we came here. Taking a job that pays $22 hour is not equal to quitting a job that pays $63 an hour just because that same job pays $22 first year. We have too much invested as 3rd or 4th year employees. The problem is the people coming here now.

 

You've been here long enough to have no excuse for not going to a LCC. Maybe you want 1000 121 tpic first, that should be 4 or 5 months away since you have a similiar hire date as me. You and I sticking around are also part of the problem. So if you lived in Dallas, you would actually go to Envoy or Express Jet? Envoys 2.5 and 6 is a complete lie, and Xjet has no upgrade in sight. People with 1000 121 hired today can still get an upgrade. Yes, others will have to wait much longer but it is still better than Xjet or Envoy.

 

 

Because unlike Mesa and every other regional right now. Getting a job with big aircraft is not as simple as just having a pulse.

 

Wrong again. This isn't a pilot shortage, it's a PAY shortage. The shortage is of people willing to make 22k /year pretax to fly a large jet. If you make more than 3x that as a captain, then you're not part of the problem. This isn't personal, it's economics. The company doesn't care if you don't like the pay/benefits offered or if they're fair. They only care about cd0/ccf.