New Mesa Thread
03-01-2016, 05:05 PM
#4881
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Posts: 304
Originally Posted by Out Of Trim
The only regional that doesn't require them that I'm aware of is SkyWest. There may be a few others but, actually, many if not most are requiring training agreements. And, I fail to see how somebody would consider that to be unfair.
Originally Posted by Out Of Trim
Secondly, since nobody forced you (when I say you, I mean that generically, I don't actually mean "you") to sign and you chose to do it then what? Should you be allowed to buy a car and then be allowed to keep it when you welch on the payments? How does one even develop that kind of mentality?
Originally Posted by Out Of Trim
And, I think you're wrong ... if the entire class refused to sign then every last one of them would be shown the door while the company just waited for the next batch of more reasonable and responsible people to show up. The opportunities for employment and training are far better now industry-wide than they've ever been. In that regard, nobody has a thing to complain about. Wages are a different story though.
I do agree with the fact that the opportunities for employment are far better now industry-wide than they've ever been. Therefore, if asked to sign a training contract, it's a simple decision to politely and professionally decline and go to any of the other regionals that don't require it and has much better pay and benefits.
03-01-2016, 05:28 PM
#4882
sippin' dat koolaid
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: gear slinger
Posts: 982
I'm so tired of this damn third party myIDtravel site that American dumped us into after the takeover of Airways. Wide open flights tomorrow and got the standard "General booking error" when trying to list my mother. Whoever said it was right, American could ******* up a wet dream.
/end rant
/end rant
03-01-2016, 05:42 PM
#4883
Living the Dream
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,795
Agreed. Still don't know why they couldn't fold everyone into Wings or AA's equivalent. We're stuck with this for at least the majority of 2016; if I didn't know better I'd say it feels suspiciously like they're waging war on non-wholly-owneds.
03-01-2016, 05:45 PM
#4884
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2015
Posts: 132
Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Agreed. Still don't know why they couldn't fold everyone into Wings or AA's equivalent. We're stuck with this for at least the majority of 2016; if I didn't know better I'd say it feels suspiciously like they're waging war on non-wholly-owneds.
03-01-2016, 05:45 PM
#4885
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,602
Originally Posted by tinman1
I'm so tired of this damn third party myIDtravel site that American dumped us into after the takeover of Airways. Wide open flights tomorrow and got the standard "General booking error" when trying to list my mother. Whoever said it was right, American could ******* up a wet dream.
/end rant
/end rant
03-01-2016, 05:47 PM
#4886
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2016
Posts: 2,559
I'm pretty sure the opposite of what you said is the case. Mesa is one of the only contract airlines out there that HAS a training contract now. (Outside of ATP-CTP)
Originally Posted by Out Of Trim
The only regional that doesn't require them that I'm aware of is SkyWest. There may be a few others but, actually, many if not most are requiring training agreements. And, I fail to see how somebody would consider that to be unfair.
03-01-2016, 05:55 PM
#4887
sippin' dat koolaid
Joined APC: Jun 2013
Position: gear slinger
Posts: 982
Originally Posted by xjtgrunt
Feeling like it??? The only way it will change is if we fight for it?
03-01-2016, 05:57 PM
#4888
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 60
Originally Posted by Out Of Trim
Originally Posted by Slaveaway:
"That's what I did. So far I just received a email from Mesa demanding I pay them."
Unless they screwed you in some way then why not just pay them as you'd agreed as that's the right thing to do? If the company treated you in a way that was unfair and unlike its treatment of all other employees then I can see how you might have a justifiable argument for not repaying them as was agreed. Short of that, then I'd say that YES you owe the specified pro-rated amount back. As painful as that may seem, it's just that simple. After all, if we're to consider ALL things that could be allowing a company to make an argument for not paying its employees better this would be another example ... money lost on training 'jumpers'. If you have someplace better to go then I'm not saying 'don't go'. I'm just saying that it's fair for you to be held to repay the prorated training amount and not leave the deficit behind for others to take the hit for.
And, flaps is right, it definitely isn't worth the damage that your personal credit could suffer. Just like PRIA, that crap can follow you around for a long, long time. A lot of employers are actually more understanding of a failed checkride than they are of not paying your bills. In their minds, they can easily give you the training you might need to get your skills up to speed, but they don't have the time nor intention to teach financial responsibility. If you can't pay what you owe then at least see if you can work out some arrangement or borrow the money from someone else if you have to.
I feel for you though to be in this position. It's absurd that someone, anyone, who flys jets near the stratosphere with 75 souls on board for a living should even have to think about how to pay their bills. But that's another discussion.
"That's what I did. So far I just received a email from Mesa demanding I pay them."
Unless they screwed you in some way then why not just pay them as you'd agreed as that's the right thing to do? If the company treated you in a way that was unfair and unlike its treatment of all other employees then I can see how you might have a justifiable argument for not repaying them as was agreed. Short of that, then I'd say that YES you owe the specified pro-rated amount back. As painful as that may seem, it's just that simple. After all, if we're to consider ALL things that could be allowing a company to make an argument for not paying its employees better this would be another example ... money lost on training 'jumpers'. If you have someplace better to go then I'm not saying 'don't go'. I'm just saying that it's fair for you to be held to repay the prorated training amount and not leave the deficit behind for others to take the hit for.
And, flaps is right, it definitely isn't worth the damage that your personal credit could suffer. Just like PRIA, that crap can follow you around for a long, long time. A lot of employers are actually more understanding of a failed checkride than they are of not paying your bills. In their minds, they can easily give you the training you might need to get your skills up to speed, but they don't have the time nor intention to teach financial responsibility. If you can't pay what you owe then at least see if you can work out some arrangement or borrow the money from someone else if you have to.
I feel for you though to be in this position. It's absurd that someone, anyone, who flys jets near the stratosphere with 75 souls on board for a living should even have to think about how to pay their bills. But that's another discussion.
03-01-2016, 06:04 PM
#4889
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 503
I didn't leave right after IOE. I was a great employee at Mesa for 11.5 months. Sorry but a type rating is the cost of doing business. I agree it's selfish to leave right after training but I feel that Mesa got their investment with me.
To be fair I may just be a man and use some of my new hire bonus to pay off the 2k.
Karma right?
To be fair I may just be a man and use some of my new hire bonus to pay off the 2k.
Karma right?
03-01-2016, 06:23 PM
#4890
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by Slaveaway
I didn't leave right after IOE. I was a great employee at Mesa for 11.5 months. Sorry but a type rating is the cost of doing business. I agree it's selfish to leave right after training but I feel that Mesa got their investment with me.
To be fair I may just be a man and use some of my new hire bonus to pay off the 2k.
Karma right?
To be fair I may just be a man and use some of my new hire bonus to pay off the 2k.
Karma right?
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
