New Mesa Thread
07-25-2015, 12:43 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by wt932051
The comair guys are the ones who should be insulted by guys like you. You have done nothing!I picked an airline not knowing what I was getting into and have tried to improve it along the way to leave it better then I started. I voted no on the last contract. I made the decision not to go to Freedom and lower the bar. Mesa wanted a 5 percent pay cut during bankruptcy, I said no putting all our jobs/seats on the line. You also forget I had less options then you did today. It is true, I want my decade to mean something, that is right, I want to leave this place better. It is you who are making it worse. So yes I have actually done something.
Besides I am assuming you voted yes at your last airline (since you are voting yes already here) only to have the senior guys vote no and you got furloughed. So you are probably hurt that you couldn't work for less, in trade for job security, and take flying from other airlines just to keep your job. You are just doing it here again because you are selfish. Scared you might actually have to be an FO and work under the wages voted in from the last newbies who helped vote it in, and who were after that fast upgrade as well, that traded pay for it.
I have realized the new guys are the cancer in my time in aviation. The pay rates are what they are now because of the new guys we had at that time voting yes. It is happening again. So it is your fault. Guys like you are the same ones who go to GO jets, PSA, and were Freedom A listers. So I will patronize the new guys all I want because they complain about the low pay, yet they created. Stop your complaining about the pay. You did this. Accept it.
One day you will be on the other end trying to improve your airline only to have the new guys undercutting you just for an upgrade. Remember that. I don't think you have any idea what sacrifice means. In your response you state instead of raising the bar, you decided to sell out. You realized it was better for you. That is not sacrifice, that is selfishness. Yet you say I am the one not using it accurately? Wow. Keep trying to sugar coat that turd you are trying to sell. lol
I recall being contacted by Air Midwest on the phone, quite literally the day after my Commercial Certificate popped up in the FAA database, at about 250 hours of flight time. I also recall receiving e-mails from MAPD, which was hiring wet commercials at I think 250 hours or so and throwing them in a CRJ--for the hefty price of 10k or something? Maybe you can fill us in on "how hard it was for you" getting hired at Mesa in those "tough times," and oh what a struggle it must've been for you.
Many, many higher-paying regionals were hiring in 2005 (if you had 1,000-1,500 total time and a CFI). Were you a wet commercial with 250-300 hours, or why did you come here? For the fast upgrade?
Based on the above analysis of your background, I am assuming we have comparable total flight times, and comparable years and hours of 121 turbine experience. So don't patronize me or even attempt to claim that you've done anything for me or my career--Pinnacle lost Delta 900s to you guys because we shot down a TA (I voted no). I served in multiple union positions, and helped draft portions of our second contract.
You were flying a CRJ for rates that directly knocked down "industry average" and compromised our negotiating position at 9e (and at every other regional). Mesa pilots voted in a concessionary contract that also directly compromised our negotiating position, by giving Delta a cheaper option in the endless DCI whipsaw.
And guess what? I don't blame you for selling out and accepting a job at Mesa with your wet commercial. I also don't blame you for bending over and flying for the lowest CRJ rates in the industry for a decade. Because you kept your job by selling out and filling a seat at Mesa all that time, and I lost mine after getting displaced to JFK. I see the light now--quite frankly, I should've come to Mesa when you did!!!
wt I am TRYING to tell you that you were RIGHT for putting up with low pay in return for job security all those years, and for coming to the cheapest regional with the fastest upgrade!!! Yet, in some twisted way you're trying to claim some badge of honor as if you suffered through my career. It's really, really weird.
Last edited by flapshalfspeed; 07-25-2015 at 12:55 PM.
07-25-2015, 12:49 PM
#42
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
I'll attempt to parse through your almost incomprehensible sentence structure so that I may enlighten you with a response.
You say you've been at Mesa roughly 10 years--meaning you would've been hired around 2005. I was finishing up flight school around that time, and CFIing to build hours (I went to Pinnacle in 2007, when their mins were around 1,000-1,200TT w/o a jet/ftd course).
I recall being contacted by Air Midwest on the phone, quite literally the day after my Commercial Certificate popped up in the FAA database, at about 250 hours of flight time. I also recall receiving e-mails from MAPD, which was hiring wet commercials at I think 250 hours or so and throwing them in a CRJ--for the hefty price of 10k or something? Maybe you can fill us in on "how hard it was for you" getting hired at Mesa in those "tough times," and oh what a struggle it must've been for you.
Many, many higher-paying regionals were hiring in 2005 (if you had 1,000-1,500 total time and a CFI). Were you a wet commercial or why did you come here?
Based on your complete lack of English composition skills, and the timeframe you would've been hired at Mesa (or Air Midwest), I am assuming you do not have a college degree, and that you were hired here with around 250-300 hours total time, fresh out of associate's/high school.
Based on the above analysis of your background, I am assuming we have comparable total flight times, and comparable years and hours of 121 turbine experience. So don't patronize me or even attempt to claim that you've done anything for me or my career--Pinnacle lost Delta 900s to you guys because we shot down a TA (I voted no). I served in three union positions, and helped draft portions of our second contract.
You were flying a CRJ for rates that directly knocked down "industry average" and compromised our negotiating position at 9e. Mesa pilots voted in a concessionary contract that also directly compromised our negotiating position.
And guess what? I don't blame you for selling out and accepting a job at Mesa with your wet commercial. I also don't blame you for bending over and flying for the lowest CRJ rates in the industry. Because you kept your job by selling out and filling a seat at Mesa all that time, and I lost mine after getting displaced to JFK.
It's pretty hilarious listening to someone who literally stumbled into a Mesa Captain seat talk to ME about what THEY did for the industry. I can't even comprehend it, in fact.
You say you've been at Mesa roughly 10 years--meaning you would've been hired around 2005. I was finishing up flight school around that time, and CFIing to build hours (I went to Pinnacle in 2007, when their mins were around 1,000-1,200TT w/o a jet/ftd course).
I recall being contacted by Air Midwest on the phone, quite literally the day after my Commercial Certificate popped up in the FAA database, at about 250 hours of flight time. I also recall receiving e-mails from MAPD, which was hiring wet commercials at I think 250 hours or so and throwing them in a CRJ--for the hefty price of 10k or something? Maybe you can fill us in on "how hard it was for you" getting hired at Mesa in those "tough times," and oh what a struggle it must've been for you.
Many, many higher-paying regionals were hiring in 2005 (if you had 1,000-1,500 total time and a CFI). Were you a wet commercial or why did you come here?
Based on your complete lack of English composition skills, and the timeframe you would've been hired at Mesa (or Air Midwest), I am assuming you do not have a college degree, and that you were hired here with around 250-300 hours total time, fresh out of associate's/high school.
Based on the above analysis of your background, I am assuming we have comparable total flight times, and comparable years and hours of 121 turbine experience. So don't patronize me or even attempt to claim that you've done anything for me or my career--Pinnacle lost Delta 900s to you guys because we shot down a TA (I voted no). I served in three union positions, and helped draft portions of our second contract.
You were flying a CRJ for rates that directly knocked down "industry average" and compromised our negotiating position at 9e. Mesa pilots voted in a concessionary contract that also directly compromised our negotiating position.
And guess what? I don't blame you for selling out and accepting a job at Mesa with your wet commercial. I also don't blame you for bending over and flying for the lowest CRJ rates in the industry. Because you kept your job by selling out and filling a seat at Mesa all that time, and I lost mine after getting displaced to JFK.
It's pretty hilarious listening to someone who literally stumbled into a Mesa Captain seat talk to ME about what THEY did for the industry. I can't even comprehend it, in fact.
07-25-2015, 01:08 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by word302
But then you went to work for the same company with the lowest rates? Kind of "pot calling the kettle black" don't you think?
07-25-2015, 01:08 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by wt932051
The comair guys are the ones who should be insulted by guys like you. You have done nothing!I picked an airline not knowing what I was getting into and have tried to improve it along the way to leave it better then I started. I voted no on the last contract. I made the decision not to go to Freedom and lower the bar. Mesa wanted a 5 percent pay cut during bankruptcy, I said no putting all our jobs/seats on the line. You also forget I had less options then you did today. It is true, I want my decade to mean something, that is right, I want to leave this place better. It is you who are making it worse. So yes I have actually done something.
Besides I am assuming you voted yes at your last airline (since you are voting yes already here) only to have the senior guys vote no and you got furloughed. So you are probably hurt that you couldn't work for less, in trade for job security, and take flying from other airlines just to keep your job. You are just doing it here again because you are selfish. Scared you might actually have to be an FO and work under the wages voted in from the last newbies who helped vote it in, and who were after that fast upgrade as well, that traded pay for it.
I have realized the new guys are the cancer in my time in aviation. The pay rates are what they are now because of the new guys we had at that time voting yes. It is happening again. So it is your fault. Guys like you are the same ones who go to GO jets, PSA, and were Freedom A listers. So I will patronize the new guys all I want because they complain about the low pay, yet they created. Stop your complaining about the pay. You did this. Accept it.
One day you will be on the other end trying to improve your airline only to have the new guys undercutting you just for an upgrade. Remember that. I don't think you have any idea what sacrifice means. In your response you state instead of raising the bar, you decided to sell out. You realized it was better for you. That is not sacrifice, that is selfishness. Yet you say I am the one not using it accurately? Wow. Keep trying to sugar coat that turd you are trying to sell. lol
At what arbitrary number of years of service under the existing contract does a new hire transform from a "sellout" to a person who has "sacrificed" like you? A year? Five years? Ten years?
You worked for Mesa for a decade. Yeah, it was a rough decade (for all of us--at all airlines). Get over it and move on with your life.
07-25-2015, 01:10 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by word302
But then you went to work for the same company with the lowest rates? Kind of "pot calling the kettle black" don't you think?
07-25-2015, 01:22 PM
#46
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I'm done discussing this until the actual agreement is out. I think I've won all of the arguments and personal debates I want to engage in for the time being.
07-25-2015, 01:35 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by wt932051
How? Wisdom on selfishness.
We've had different experiences in our 121 careers, and have thus developed different perspectives on what "sacrifice" means, and about whether we should vote in this contract or not.
You don't know my full background, and I don't know yours. I'll leave it at that.
07-25-2015, 01:36 PM
#48
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We forget how fortunate we are that management provides the opportunity for us to fly jet airliners. Folks, don't lose perspective.
07-25-2015, 01:42 PM
#49
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
Posts: 815
Originally Posted by Ace Hotshot
We forget how fortunate we are that management provides the opportunity for us to fly jet airliners. Folks, don't lose perspective.
07-25-2015, 01:50 PM
#50
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
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Originally Posted by Ace Hotshot
We forget how fortunate we are that management provides the opportunity for us to fly jet airliners. Folks, don't lose perspective.
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