SVTCobra

Strong statement coming from someone who admits they haven't flown single seat jet, but somehow have an "educated oppinion" based on what a friend told you..Sounds like too many "And there we were" stories with them talking with their hands.

Bouncing around the east coast in my RJ gaining mundane 121 experience with flap failures,engine failures ETC...Yeah that's pretty mundane alright.Sounds like you have been talking to your friends again to have an "educated oppinion" or lack there of.

gderek

The point was that you insulted military pilots. You have no knowledge of why there is an hour adjustment but rather you think military pilots get special treatment. You should probably know what you're talking about before spouting off on here.

Each one of us has unique experiences but really it's the networking that we do and the connections that we make that gets us in the door. I'd say insulting military pilots is not a good way to go about that process.

I know guys who were hired with just over 1000 TPIC at FedEx, they networked well.

SVTCobra

My intention was not to insult..Too bad it was taken that way.Sorry guy's
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I was insulted the entire 12 years I was at the regionals just because I flew an RJ and my company didn't have a stellar contract. So I have very little sympathy for someone that felt they were "insulted" on a pilot chat board from someone who is not "fully educated" on their side of aviation. I learned quickly not to take the insults personally.

The "education" process should not be from aggressively attacking that person.

Jetjok

Frankly sir, it appears that you're not at all interested in becoming "educated" about military single-seat pilots and their particular type of flying. That's ok, however, if you reread this thread, you will see that the only reason guys were being aggressive toward you, is that you started out that way toward virtually anyone who tried to help you understand military pilots in general and the associated issues in particular. As well, because you don't seem to get the "military-to-civilian" conversions, you have added insult to injury, with some of your comments. In actuality, the conversion ratio is very conservative, in that, especially for fighter guys, taking a two or four-ship out for a flight, regardless of what type of mission, requires much more ground time, with the motors running, than the additional .2 or .3 per sortie, that most airlines allow. Time that your civilian company would have allowed you to log, because you had already moved your plane for the purpose of flight.

Regardless, I wish you well with your resume building and your future aspirations.

JJ

HercDriver130

+1.........

Oh....and having flown 121 scheduled, Military tactical 130s and 121 Supp..... I find the flying we do here in the sandbox every bit as challenging as almost anything I did flying 130s... whether it be in far flung places with little or no support... or flying combat airdrops over Panama and Iraq(1991) ....the same..no.... but different and challenging in its own right. The whole mil vs Civ thing is bullcrap there are good pilots and bad pilots from all types of backgrounds. Fighter pilots have a unique skill set...but so do pilots from just about every other type background civ and mil.

SVTCobra

WOW..The Walrus was the only one that mentioned the .2 conversion back on page 2 of this thread. From there the chest thumping continued and I was still getting pummeled and accused of not wanting to become educated? ..Excuse me SIR, but you are the only one that has now FULLY explained the conversion for the single seat guys in this thread..I think you should reread previous posts with regards to my "education".

Cheers

Vifa

Wow, interesting thread. I'd hope that airlines would take into consideration single pilot turbin time regardless the airframe. I'd expect them to look at the whole package rather than just looking at the logbook. I'm sure that has changed and will continue to change based on what they get for applications. I guess I'll find out in 2.5 years when I start applying. As for now, I need to get to sleep so I can work a 15 hr day of mission prep, brief, 2 hours of ground ops and a 3 hr derief to log my 1.0

cactusmike

1000 hour PIC turbine is just to show some experience. It's just another way to check the boxes off to sort out all the applicants. One of the best guys I flew with on the 757 had zero turbine time before he came to America West. He had a sh##load of PIC in the DC3, though. Great stick and had very few issues.

It's more important to not be a tool, when you have to sit next to someone for a 7 hour leg or a 14 hour duty day. That should be the most important criteria.

FDXLAG

You should have your computer checked you seem to be only able to read every other post.

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Originally Posted by SVTCobra

You guys already get a break on converting your military time and now you want credit on a 4 ship formation that you lead?

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Originally Posted by The Walrus

The .2 conversion for military flying is because military time is from takeoff to landing and doesn't account for taxi out and in.

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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR

As already explained - it isn't a break. Do you have a problem with a military pilot and a civilian pilot being on a level playing field? I don't care which way you want to log it but if you as a civvie guy want to log ONLY takeoff to landing then so be it. The 0.2 conversion doesn't account for NEARLY the time I spent on the ground (in control of an aircraft with the intent of flying). All the time waiting in marshall for flight members, waiting at the hold short during a bounce period, in the hot pits, etc....

SVTCobra

Again.. WOW!!!. I missed one post that you quoted and I'm still not getting it..
I hate when that happens