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Old 01-19-2014 | 05:43 AM
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Straw man arguments. Go back to layover time. I think we're in violent agreement, actually.
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Old 01-19-2014 | 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Wollac
Any mil pilots use Logbook Pro or LogTen Pro?
Yes. I use Logbook Pro to answer questions like "hours in last 12 mo" or total time

Originally Posted by Wollac
Do they have an easy military to civilian converter that uses the 90% rule (90% of AC time = PIC) that most guys use?
No. I made a spreadsheet where I plug in numbers from my ARMS printout that goes something like PIC=(primary MP + secondary MP)*.90+(IP+EP). You will need to make a tab for every airline you apply to in order to tailor to each app. Examples: count or delete Other time, add .3 per sortie mil conversion, add .2 per sortie mil conversion, 1.2 per hour multiplier for mil conversion.

There are a million ways to skin the cat. Spreadsheets are out there to copy but if you don't build it yourself, it's harder to explain your rationale for calculations during your interview.

1. Ask around
2. Pick a method
3. Be confident in your answer
4. Be apologetic and humble if the interviewer disagrees with your math
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Old 01-19-2014 | 06:56 PM
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I used 90% of MP time for my first aircraft, 80% for my second, and 60% for my third (plus all IP time) since as I went up in rank I flew less as the A code and had larger crews. Made a pretty sophisticated spreadsheet and haven't been asked a single question at any interview. I always turned in raw military hours and sorties and typed up a simple explanation of how my spreadsheet worked and let them do the mil conversion if they wanted. With just under 4000TT in heavies, my 4 page AF flying history, 1 page spreadsheet, and 1 page explanation/cover sheet was all I turned in--no log books, etc. I added the airline logo at the top and bottom of my coversheet for some style points.

Also if you're retiring and the only suit you have used to fit you 10 years ago, you may want to buy a new one. It was obvious who brought their suit from their skinnier glory days. But hey, they still got hired as well.
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Old 01-20-2014 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
It amazes me how many military folks refuse to listen to those of us working in the airlines ... sometimes on our second, third and fourth airline!

It is not an argument of what you can prove legally and what's in the FARs for figuring up PIC time, but what the airline you're applying to believes.
+1........
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Old 01-26-2014 | 05:39 AM
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Old 01-27-2014 | 04:47 AM
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I used Log 10 and really like it. It takes time to put in all the hours though so be prepared for that. I just picked a point and started putting in hours and used one block for all the previous. Had to do some additional calc but better than having nothing.
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Old 02-06-2014 | 10:13 AM
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Im filling out an 8710 and trying to figure out how to log T-1 time. I will log it as dual received, but can you log SIC since the plane does require 2 pilots?
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Old 02-06-2014 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by foumanchu
Im filling out an 8710 and trying to figure out how to log T-1 time. I will log it as dual received, but can you log SIC since the plane does require 2 pilots?
I went conservative and just logged it dual received. My thought was that I was not typed in the aircraft at that time and therefore not qualified. I think you may be able to argue it either way.
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Old 02-06-2014 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
I went conservative and just logged it dual received. My thought was that I was not typed in the aircraft at that time and therefore not qualified. I think you may be able to argue it either way.
Read Part 61.51 and 61.55

If you had a multi engine rating on your civilian ticket prior to UPT, then you can log SIC in the T-1. Academics and EP sims would more than count for the required training to act as SIC in a jet requiring a type rating such as the T-1/Be-400. Same as the T-6, under Part 61, anyone who has a private single engine rating can legally take PIC/Dual Received after solo, if you make the assumption that the AF/Navy letting you take it solo counts as the necessary high performance endorsement in your log book. Reading 61.41 would be my defense of the solo privilege counting as high performance endorsement arguement.

If you did not have any civilian ratings prior to military flight school, then it is all dual received, except for the meager amount of solo time in Phase Two.

Remember this is strictly by Part 61 and what you can log to count for additional ratings and so on. PIC by most airline standards is strictly by the Part 1 definition of PIC.

Old school T-1 dudes from back when they did the team sortie, I guess that would be PIC for one leg of the out and back??? Did they designate one student to be in charge of the other???
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Old 02-06-2014 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Tweetdrvr
Read Part 61.51 and 61.55

If you had a multi engine rating on your civilian ticket prior to UPT, then you can log SIC in the T-1. Academics and EP sims would more than count for the required training to act as SIC in a jet requiring a type rating such as the T-1/Be-400. Same as the T-6, under Part 61, anyone who has a private single engine rating can legally take PIC/Dual Received after solo, if you make the assumption that the AF/Navy letting you take it solo counts as the necessary high performance endorsement in your log book. Reading 61.41 would be my defense of the solo privilege counting as high performance endorsement arguement.

If you did not have any civilian ratings prior to military flight school, then it is all dual received, except for the meager amount of solo time in Phase Two.

Remember this is strictly by Part 61 and what you can log to count for additional ratings and so on. PIC by most airline standards is strictly by the Part 1 definition of PIC.

Old school T-1 dudes from back when they did the team sortie, I guess that would be PIC for one leg of the out and back??? Did they designate one student to be in charge of the other???
There you go. Perfect way to explain it. I didn't have any civ licenses then or any way to effectively log it, so I figured better to just make it dual received. More and more I am realizing that there is definitely more than one way to skin the cat, just have a logical and legal explanation for everything you do and don't do anything the least bit sketchy.
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