The average amount of Flight Pay being calculated per your is around $2500 each pilot in addition to everything else in CBA15.

That plus longevity bonuses for SICs and the new pay scales...

Yes. 200k SICs.

Hopefully by this time next year, many should have easily hit that goal. GLC, hands down easily. Small cabin, with a few extra days here and there.

But who doesn’t fly open time at an airline if they want to make extra money?

Only on this NetJets forum do former NetJets pilots call making a great wage a dirty thing instead of encouraging them on.

 

Earlier in this thread, I laid out the math on how a 200K FO will be possible under the new TA. Especially after the pay scales start adjusting in a couple weeks, those on the 72 or 76 day schedule in a fleet that flies a fair amount will be hovering right around that mark. The flight pay and new longevity bonus, combined with COLA adjustments to the pay scale, will add up quickly.

In just two years, a 14-year FO on the CC76 schedule, regular (7-day) tour lengths, will see a base salary of $155,779. The longevity bonus at that time will be over $6,000, then add in standard overtime, holidays, and flight pay. Of course I'd rather see everyone upgrade before they get to that point, however, for those of us that will be topping the FO pay scale, 200K will be within reach (and will be topped on base pay alone by the time the contract becomes amendable). I'm not really wanting to do the CC76 schedule, but the numbers are what they are. I don't agree with Retractable on much, but in this case he is right.

 

Okay Brah let’s try this another way.

At an airline a pilot can pick up time and he makes extra money. It’s his choice. He picks the days he picks the trip. He picks the pay he wants. His choice. At NJA it is not his choice. He can pick up extra days but it’s up to scheduling if he flys. He could get hot spare, no cash for that one. He could get hotel duty, no cash. Plane could break and he doesn’t get anything but his normal pay. It’s not up to the pilot if he exceeds 12.1 hours it’s up to the air boss and maybe the eBay lamp again to make extra money.

I have NEVER in 12 years at that plane ever exceeded 6 percent PT and holidays. Last 18 months were on the 76CC. I got a dozen ADP final paychecks to prove that fact.

Lastly if you think NjA is going to not change how it does business you are sadly mistaken. Everyone will go toward the mean of around 300 a year. The high workers will be reeled back as others that used to not fly as much pick up the time. Retractable got paid a lot because others didn’t work as hard, now they will chasing the bottom line his numbers will come toward the mean. Go ask the new ADO if you don’t believe me.

 

A 17 year FO on the 76LT with overtime and the estimate of new pay with the IBI making 200k is Not impressive. Working 19 days a month for 17 years to finally say you make 200k a year should be depressing to every NJA pilot. Compare it to a typical airline schedule on the 7/7 and it drops down to 170k. Guys are making that year 3 at any major.

 

You've gone from saying it's impossible to it's not impressive. If you keep moving the goal post, then you will always find yourself in the right. In fact, the only person trying to interject airline pay as a comparison here is you. The real question is, how does this contract improve earning potentials over what NJA pilots already have? If the pilot group finds it worthwhile, then the IBI will be ratified. If not, then no IBI, at least for now. I'm sure we can all agree that making progress against what one already has is the end goal in all bargaining, no?

 

And then sales will be given the go ahead to open up again.

Don’t worry about those pilots at NJA that know how to fly the mail.

They’ll all be just fine under this IBI deal.

 

I bet a year 3 FO can do it.

 

Keep in mind that the size of the pie (total NJA flight hours) is only "mostly" going to NJA pilots. The rest is going to other companies, flying our selloffs. If there is even a small reduction in schedule disruption, then we may see more total hours flown by NJA pilots and less farmed out to subcontractors. So a former slacking pilot who decides to make a better effort to fly wouldn't necessarily be taking hours from other pilots already flying a fair amount. Now we'll never be completely rid of selloffs, as some are needed to absorb our busiest days, but they can certainly be reduced.

 

I’m sure you do. Luckily the rest, lives in reality.

 

You got it what’s the bet?