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Old 09-16-2019, 04:47 AM
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Old 09-16-2019, 07:37 AM
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Old 09-16-2019, 08:38 AM
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NJ is a good job with good benefits, no doubt. Nice equipment, good folks, some good Hotels, airlining without status absolutely sucks, like any job, good and bad. In the past, I criticized people for not wanting to jump ship to the big 4, don’t do it anymore. Besides the financial improvement of FDP, it is a good, stable job. Some people simply do not want to fly for an airline, good on them! After 18 years, for me personally, I saw the job was never going to change, long days, multiple legs, multiple changes, not being able to plan on an overnight, etc. Again, not a criticism, simply a personal evaluation on my situation. 7 days is a long time to be gone, especially if you have a family. Some don’t mind it, can see it both ways. And the CC schedules (other than 52) were simply not an option, 6/3, 5/3, 6/4, 6/5, completely undesirable for me, personal taste, not a bad thing, simply did not want to work that hard for the extra money, especially with a wonderful family at home.

NJ financially can be good but you have to work VERY HARD to make the $$. And the reality of large cabin was crystal clear: 18 years on property and still YEARS away from being able to hold left seat.

Schedule flexibility was a huge part of my decision making. You had very little at NJ other than a slide here and there, PTO, etc. The very few time I bid the CC72, not once was I granted a day off I requested via PBS. Not saying it doesn’t happen, just didn’t happen to me and that was submitting simple requests.

Every job has good and bad, one simply has to lay all the cards on the table and figure out what is important. For me, schedule flexibility, a very well funded pension, a generous defined contribution, and living in base, being home 20+ days a month was too good to pass up. As a 2nd year F/O, and these are TRUE, factual numbers, making $186/hr, working as least as possible, even working no more than my normal schedule I usually credit an extra 5 hours or so of premiums, I easily credit 80 hrs per 28 days. We have 13 28-day pay periods, so that’s $193,500 by simply working my schedule, no more. It’s not earth shattering money, but to make that amount at NJ as an 18 yr CAPTAIN I had to work very hard with a lot more responsibility. Now, our company runs lean, so we get calls for uncovered OT trips pretty regularly, I usually pick one up per month, that adds another 10 hours or so of credit (gets paid at 150%) for doing an out and back, gone 8 hours or so. I also like getting into the cockpit and doing nothing but flying.

I was one who used to criticize/advocate for the airline job, no more. Not because I regret leaving, which I don’t, but because there is clearly value in the NJ job and MANY are happy there. That is all that matters, that one is happy. Decent pay, good benefits, nice equipment, decent schedules, lots of good things.

Now, as a new hire, younger than say 45, I do believe the airlines are a much more attractive proposition. But if already there for a while, not an easy decision. I like being able to JS to my kid’s sporting events, travel no cost to see family/friends, and my family travels for very little. Flying standby sucks, no doubt, but you understand you don’t do it during peak times. When I see it is going to be tight, don’t even bother, purchase ticket. But my success rate has been well over 50%, and we have been able to do certain trips we would of not done otherwise.

Bottom line, if a NJ guy/gal is happy, good on them! Very good job. I will say one last thing, I have not heard from any former NJ who regrets leaving, most I talk to, the common theme is should of left sooner. Not an opinion, simply comments folk have made to me.

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Old 09-16-2019, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Giggity7 View Post
Outstanding post!
I can’t agree more!

This is a fantastic time to be at NetJets!

Without trying hard on at least a CC72right now, small cabin captains can pull 300K, Large Cabin 400K... all while setting a good chunk of money into their 401Ks.

The upgrade machine is moving.

Sales are through the roof.

Selloffs have literally evaporated.

Hub locations are taking the brunt of regular MX and MEL removal, cleaning and stocking. When they fully deploy, they’ll provide for even more synergies that make the job MUCH easier for pilots.

Aircraft deliveries and current momentum have NJA trending to 500+ aircraft with Owner satisfaction surveys that haven’t seen such high marks in years.

Any of you on property should be absolutely thrilled at this news. Anyone who left, well, we hope you are happy with your choice. Truly.
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Retractable View Post
Without trying hard on at least a CC72right now, small cabin captains can pull 300K, Large Cabin 400K... all while setting a good chunk of money into their 401Ks.
If you’re on a CC72, you’re already trying waaaay too hard.
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Retractable View Post
I can’t agree more!

This is a fantastic time to be at NetJets!

Without trying hard on at least a CC72right now, small cabin captains can pull 300K, Large Cabin 400K... all while setting a good chunk of money into their 401Ks.

The upgrade machine is moving.

Sales are through the roof.

Selloffs have literally evaporated.

Hub locations are taking the brunt of regular MX and MEL removal, cleaning and stocking. When they fully deploy, they’ll provide for even more synergies that make the job MUCH easier for pilots.

Aircraft deliveries and current momentum have NJA trending to 500+ aircraft with Owner satisfaction surveys that haven’t seen such high marks in years.

Any of you on property should be absolutely thrilled at this news. Anyone who left, well, we hope you are happy with your choice. Truly.

Wow! Totally different when I was there. Every recurrent was doom and gloom and a recession was around the corner. I even remember a quote as to “why hire, when I will have to furlough them once the training bubble is done.” What a difference a year makes, congrats!
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Retractable View Post
I can’t agree more!

This is a fantastic time to be at NetJets!

Without trying hard on at least a CC72right now, small cabin captains can pull 300K, Large Cabin 400K... all while setting a good chunk of money into their 401Ks.

The upgrade machine is moving.

Sales are through the roof.

Selloffs have literally evaporated.

Hub locations are taking the brunt of regular MX and MEL removal, cleaning and stocking. When they fully deploy, they’ll provide for even more synergies that make the job MUCH easier for pilots.

Aircraft deliveries and current momentum have NJA trending to 500+ aircraft with Owner satisfaction surveys that haven’t seen such high marks in years.

Any of you on property should be absolutely thrilled at this news. Anyone who left, well, we hope you are happy with your choice. Truly.

Brah, glad you are so positive, but give it a rest with the money you are bringing in. It ain’t true. The CC72 year 12 makes 190762, that is a LONG way from 300K that you claim, one would need a 57% premium override.

CC76 year 17, yes they have a year 17 pay rate, is 244938. That is still a 22% premium required to get to 300K.

Oh and by the way a CC72/76 is working hard.

Everything that flies right now is making a ton of money. Be that some Mom/Pop charter outfit all the way to United, everyone is making money, everyone is expanding...

Like the other dude said, NOBODY who has left NJ has EVER mentioned they wish they could go back. That goes from the guy who left to join a flight school in SoCal (yes that happened) to the guys that went to Cathy, nobody has EVER wished to go back. That should tell you everything you need to know..

Good luck brah, remember snow board season is just around the corner, just pulled mine out of the locker....
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:51 PM
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I forgot to ask what the pilot count is up to now compared to say 2017?
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Old 09-16-2019, 12:57 PM
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It is better than before at NetJets. It is not as good as Retractable is advertising. Those synergies with mx, cleaning, and stocking are good in some ways and bad in others (more aircraft availability means more work). Pilots are making more than ever at NJA, but they are earning it. As the pilot to airplane ratio goes down, pilots are working more. That is going to lead to burn out before too long if pilots are just chasing the dollars. Knowing management, they will be way behind on hiring once they realize they cut the ratio too much and the pilots will be frustrated and angry about working harder and harder once again.

There is no such thing as easily making 300K on the 72 day (or 76 day) schedule on small cabin fleets. This year will have many make it with the contract bonus, but even then it won't be easy. It will still include A LOT of extended days. The 72 and 76 aren't so brutal in the Global with many less legs per day and many days not flying at all while setting up the long range trips. That said, it is still A LOT of extended days to make 400K- probably averaging 24 or so days of work per month not including vacations or personal days. While it isn't particularly brutal on the road in the Global, it is still a crazy amount of time gone from home to earn a bunch of money that you don't have time to enjoy spending.

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Originally Posted by DH2time View Post
Brah, glad you are so positive, but give it a rest with the money you are bringing in. It ain’t true. The CC72 year 12 makes 190762, that is a LONG way from 300K that you claim, one would need a 57% premium override.
There are no Captains on Year 12 pay. Year 14 cc72 is 204K base plus 8K longevity bonus. From there on a working fleet, add 10% for regular overtime/holidays and another 30K for FDP and NFAD pay. If a pilot's sick bank is maxed at 24 days, then anything above that gets paid out as well. The base rates that are published have become a smaller percentage of our total pay since the 2018 contract was signed.
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