The only people who say there weren't people taking advantage of our fatigue language, are the people who were doing just that.

 

During my 12 years at NJA I never saw anyone I thought was abusing the fatigue policy. Now for writeup's, yes. But remember when the CEO we had suddenly departed after some insider trading issues with a chemical company. He was replaced by the corporate attorney who had come to NetJet's from his Dad's law firm that specialized in keeping workplaces union free. We had pilots who had "no fly" in front of their name. I flew with one during the bad old days. After grounding the 5th jet I said "no fly XX", "your an ace!". We went on to ground 2 more jets. A single floor level emer light being out was technically grounding. One PIC I flew with discovered the red floor level emer light was in the wrong row, they had put a white one at the emer exit when it was supposed to be red. Grounded until a mechanic could come swap the lights. And lots of other little things like that. That's really all the leverage we had against a CEO who wanted to neuter the unions at NJA.

 

You keep telling yourself that as you fly tired to make more FDP. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

Bogus paint chips don't ground airplanes. Bonding straps don't ground airplanes.


So what you and your co-workers are saying, is that anytime small write-ups were done, it was bogus and they should have flown with known write-ups because they were small, and everyone who fatigues are doing it to get out of work.

I will tell you what changed, FDP!

Why write something up that is there to be written up, when you can go make more money flying another leg? Paint chips, bonding straps, interior lights, those are all legit write-ups if they are broken, are they not? So what you are saying is that by the same construct that you all judge whether or not somebody is actually fatigued (or just wanting to get out of all that hard work you guys love so much) and you also get to decide how big the write up is before you write it up. Meanwhile, the company will put you on NQC for opening the cowl. You guys love pushing yourselves and ignoring write-ups for a company that will throw you to the curb the second they catch you not doing the right thing. Do you think if you crash an airplane after a heavy schedule, they won't chastise you for not calling in fatigued if fatigue is called into question?

At an airline you should see the NEF and CDL items on each airplane. We write up everything. The difference is, it is signed off almost immediately as an MEL, NEF, or CDL as appropriate. No commercial airliners are being grounded anywhere for paint chips...

 

I don't need to tell myself that. I witnessed it first hand. The company has the data too, and while my flight time and fatigue numbers remain consistent, others have had dramatic changes. This is acknowledged by both company and union.

 

Actually it’s pretty apparent you haven’t been here for a long time. Things have changed. The company has a gotten a lot smarter as to what pilots are looking for. Is a paint chip and bonding strap anywhere in the preflight checklist? No. Is pulling a cowl part of the preflight? No.

The company has worked with the FAA to make it very clear what the pilots are responsible for.

Again this company has changed a lot since you’ve been here. They are a lot more focused and have their ducks in a row now for everything.

Your insight into NJA is fading away quickly.

 

If you think paint chips in the RVSM area aren't on a preflight, as well as other condition items, you quite literally aren't paying attention.

That would be like saying the condition of the tires isn't on the preflight. I'm sure you'll ignore whatever management tells you to ignore to keep the metal moving. Your VED days are a testament to that...

 

Looking at your post history you have like 6 pages worth. Only about 3 posts that are not on a Netjets or fractional. Do you not have anything to say about your current job, good or bad? Will you just wait until you leave there and then start posting?

 

You have more posts about me, than you do NJA, in the NJA thread...

 

I am currently at NJ..way to deflect though