When an Alaska pilot calls in fatigued, the pilot group doesn't accuse that pilot of being lazy...

The short of it is, it doesn't matter why, I just want to. Honestly, the NJA pilot group provides so much fodder on here to laugh and comment on, it's too entertaining to leave.

 

Lol WUT....

 

You make a good argument when it comes to your immediate impact on your own crew, I agree with you. Sounds like you’d be a solid person to fly with.

I would just argue that, generally speaking for an organization, it would be worth considering such an incentive as a risk in decision making. An operation that built that pay into their standard rate wouldn’t have to factor that in. It’s one less thing working against a crew of humans. If given the choice between the two, I’d take it built into my pay.

But that’s why it’s nice to have variety I suppose. You can go to NetJets if that incentive works for you, and I can go elsewhere if I want it built in.

 

You are still missing the point. A pilot that calls fatigued isn’t being called lazy, your words. It’s the pilots that used to call fatigued so they could go to a gym or just because they could before fdp and now they just don’t do that anymore. Like I said you will twist it to try to make it fit your narrative.

As far as the fodder and you being here not mattering why. You remind me of the characters in movies who have to swing back by their old jobs or schools just to prove they have it better. Those characters are usually more annoying than anything. But hey, keep coming back, no one could possibly be laughing at you…

 

I think the type of organization (operation) is what makes different types of pay a necessity. Do I have the answer for the perfect system? No. With the constant change of schedule for NJ it is hard. Say one pilot calls fatigued or can’t fly for some reason at an airline the impact is mostly local. That flight, possibly the next. When a pilot calls fatigued at NJ or similar operation that flight has to be recovered which affects the flights that the crew recovering was doing that then have to be recovered which keeps cascading through the system. Fdp motivated those people that were fatiguing just because they could. When you plan to fatigue on Thursday and it is Tuesday something is wrong. Those pilots are the ones that are/were the problem. Before fdp they would fatigue not caring about the impact, now they may fly broke planes or fly fatigued. You can see how a small group can have such a negative impact on a much larger group.

I think the statement about the incentive of fdp and working at NJ is what works for me is incorrect…for me. I am here mostly for the 7/7 and basing. Others may be here for the fdp. I don’t think anything beyond salary for budgeting is a smart move. It’s gravy the way I see it.

I do agree that everyone has a choice and should pick what is best for them. Some on here (possibly some Alaska pilots..but not all because you can’t group everyone together) think that their path is the only path and you are wrong for not doing the same as them.

 

I’m maxed out on the pay scale. FDP doesn’t even remotely come close to half of my pay.

 

Or maybe it eliminated the bogus write ups and fatigue calls with said motivation. Depends how you look the through the kaleidoscopic.

 

The fact that you guys will accuse other pilots within your group of doing bogus write-ups and fake fatigue calls is why you will always be divided. That is exactly what management wants. But being wanna-be management, you knew that already...

Literally, no other pilot group in the U.S. would pin themselves against each other for supposed bogus fatigue calls, with pilots being mad that their co-workers don't just keep their heads forward, accept whatever onslaught scheduling throws at them and say "thank you, sir, may I have another!"

Welcome to NetJets lol

 

How many airline pilots write up paint chips? If you don’t think pilots will write up bogus mx items then you’re just keeping your head in the sand.

I bet at your airline now pilots aren’t writing up bonding straps, paint chips….. the list goes on.

Those same guys who were doing that before FDP, all of a sudden found no safety issues with paint chips and are now flying. I wonder what changed? If your conviction is so strong then those same paint chips would have been written up after FDP….. but somehow they just aren’t.

I would have had more respect for those pilots that continued to write up paint chips, but they didn’t.

 

So by your logic we have all been flying broke airplanes while completely fatigued for the last 4 years? Do you think if that were the case we would be in the news and not for walking in circles?

Is your ego so big that you can’t admit that you are possibly wrong? How long were you at NJ? You never heard stories of people fatiguing just because they could or even saw it with your own eyes? Are you saying that every pilot that says that is what was happening is not telling the truth? Can you admit that you are no longer in the FBOs so you don’t see what is going on?

I’m not sure what happened to you while you were here that made you so bitter. Before I said you reminded me of the movie character that kept coming back to their old school or job that wouldn’t go away. Now I think you remind more of the jaded ex girlfriend character that has to trash her ex every chance to all the other girls just because it didn’t work out for her so it can’t work for anyone. Either way there is a sad obsession with both of them.