727C47

Or some other dynamic may come into play sight unseen, we shall see how many of of the senior folk migrate over, I know 15 year guys who have their apps out with the legacies and big freight, a lot of them are prior 121, this hiring boom will lift all boats. In the meantime, life goes on one leg at a time in the mighty XL from sea to shining sea in 1.5 increments : )

howardhughes8

Well, for the vast majority of our fleet, if you like 4-5 legs a day, 11-13 hour days, close to min rest EVERYDAY, then you will probably like it here. Oh, and diminishing quality of Hotels.

Packrat

Exactly. At my 121 carrier over the last 25 years upgrade went from 2 years to 5 years when the managers were predicting 3 year upgrade. Then Age 65 and 9/11 came along and the upgrade was up around 15 years. Even with all the hiring and guys punching out its still around 9-10 years.

Amen. I honestly hope EVERY NJ pilot who wants to move on gets the opportunity.


Some people enjoy flying airplanes. Some people want to sit in a tube for 13 hours and count their money. To each his own.

If every layover is min rest, do you even notice the quality of the hotel? Just asking.

Triumph

We are trying to uphold a standard that professional pilots should be entitled to. I don't think you are grasping the importance of the many aspects that should come along with this career. You sound like you belong in the right seat of a 172 teaching stalls. Perhaps that's as far as your career has progressed so far, and that's perfectly ok. But let's keep the conversation logical.

Fischman

Great info, thank you very much. It sounds like the schedule bid is pretty much as it was before - 15 day flex is out of reach, bid what you want between the other two options and hope for the best. Previously I stayed on the 18 day after training/IOE, but not long enough to get anywhere close to burned out on it before I went on what was to be short-term military leave. Short-term mil leave turned into an LOA and finally an early retirement (I even got a congratulatory certificate from NJASAP) so that's all the frame of reference I have.

As for the basing, I didn't realize it had opened up and then been shut back down. I was hired under the IBB/100 bases and never knew anything different. It sounds like what I'd have now is the same as what I had when I left.

I didn't list anyone by name on the app, but I did indicate that I was referred by a former employee. We'll see how much credibility I have with the company in referring myself for employment. It's the NJA version of Austin Powers "Allow myself to introduce myself..."

Fischman

Disclaimer: This is based on what I remember and what has recently been confirmed by Blueridger.

You are on the 18 day fixed while in training. Once your IOE is done you go on a regular schedule, either 7/7 or 18 day. I don't recall if that is picked or assigned, but you stay there until the next open bid.

When the next open bid comes along you submit your preferences. The 18 day is just one preference, and you place that in your rack/stack wherever you see fit. The 7/7 varies by start days and each line is numbered. Not all start days are available in all fleets - you may not have Tuesdays or Thursdays, for example. You also can choose between the same day starts - one line will start the first and third Monday of a particular month, another line will start the second and fourth Monday.

You send it in. You wait. You see what Christmas morning brings when the bid is released. I always bid 18 day as a junior F/O and even 250 from the bottom could hold it in the Excel (pre-furlough - not sure how it might have changed since).

The 18 day was typically no less than three and no more than eight days out with at least three days off in between. There may have also been a way to indicate your preference as to more short trips or fewer long trips. Memory is getting a bit foggy there, but that penguin is still somewhere on the iceberg.

So, bottom line, you're right. You don't choose. You bid, and the needs of the company dictate what you're awarded. There is a contractual limit as to how many crews can be put on a particular schedule so they can't furlough a bunch of guys, force everyone left behind onto the 18 day to cover the schedule, and work the remaining crews to exhaustion. Based on the description of the current working conditions, though, it sounds like they may have pushed that as far as they legally can.

frmrdashtrash

18 day trainingschedule on return, then when you complete IOE, you transition to the 18 day fixed schedule with the schedule assigned until the next month when you can list your preferences. Some have been able to get a 7/7 line as soon as IOE was over.

Junglejett

You can request the 7&7 for IOE. The company is under no obligation to give it to you, but you can request it.

Marko

It is in the collective bargaining agreement. I think there is a copy posted on *************.com.

EMBskillz

Heyas guys.

Curious if it would be a good move to go from express jet to Netjets. I was thinking of firing off a resume pretty quick. My goal is ultimately Hawaiian but if for some reason that didn't happen, I would like to be in a different spot. Netjets sounds pretty sweet. Currently I should upgrade in about 3 years but I definitely don't think its critical to move on.

Peace.