MWilliams

The framework for the next contract is mostly in place. The only thing left is to fill in the dollar amounts. That can be done quickly, 60 days, if both sides want to get it done. From where I sit, management hasn't seen the light. Their four pillars or anything close will never make it to a vote.

kpcarl0

Understand. Thanks.

jaybird

You really think it's that close? The line by line approach would seem otherwise. Additionally, the want from our side vs the want from management side are so far apart. Management is operating in a different reality.

Any regional CA's chew on this. If you come here your 121 career is dead. I've invested almost a decade at NJA and I'm seriously considering going back to a regional with a quick upgrade.

The amount of extra work you do here as well as the demanding flight schedule leaves you as a shell of your former self after seven days. Understand you will fatigue regularly and come under scrutiny from management in the form of metric based reports and calls as to why you're fatigued, some warranted some unwarranted.

The only benefit of this place is the domicile system if you happen to have a hard commute at your current job. You will most likely not see a first officer upgrade for 5-10 years. The company has displaced so many captains they will want to get out of the small fleets they were assigned to. Add in the type rating collectors and its will be closer to 10 years. Heck, we have senior captains bidding FO in the global!

Good luck with your decision. The grass is not green here.


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Jetlife

Dude, what? This is completely incorrect.

jaybird

Compare the number of pilots leaving NJA for the legacy's vs our peers at regionals.

Fact is we don't fly that much. 400 hours/year is a lot. We're flying little airplanes. Finally most recruiters don't know who NJ is or what we do. Hey, I'll be the first to argue what we do is way harder than 121 but nobody knows.


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727C47

I just got back here after the furlough , I have been pleasantly surprised by how well it has gone. I'm on the 7&7 , some days I've had 5 legs, some days I have had none, and when the cabin has been completely trashed we have had the FBO clean it, no place is perfect, hence our CBA struggles, but this place is far from the salt mines, and our guys are going to the airlines if they want to, cheers !!!

f10a

What about someone who has both 121 and 91/135 background, got furloughed after a decade in 121, went back to 91 corporate to pay the bills and various ex wives etc.... Is their return to 121 career dead? Seems illogical...

Jetlife

The reality, is that your qualifications on a resume aren't as important as internal recs, hard networking, job fairs, CP meet and greets etc. There isn't a recruiter on this planet who doesn't know who NetJets is, I don't buy that for a second. The move to 121 training, and the scope of what we do is desirable. If guys aren't getting picked up by the majors, there is something else going on. People ARE getting picked up by the majors, by the top 3, it is happening. They aren't gonna take a NetJets CA over a regional FO? Come on, lets not get silly...

BTW I just quoted you to agree with you.

MWilliams

You really think it's that close?

Management has to move first. When they decide they want a contract done you will see a TA quickly. It could be 60 days, it could be years. It's their choice.

jaybird

You're taking me way to literal. For the most part, many of our FO's came here when this place was somewhat good. Many of us jumped ship before we had 1000 hours of TPIC if any at all. My point is, a lot of us have been trying to exit to no avail because of the reasons I posted above. If you have quality prior time there's probably a chance you'll get picked up.

I Haven't had much luck getting looked at and I personally feel my resume is well stacked minus any military experience. It's the same story for many of us in NetJets purgatory. Are guys leaving yes, but not many.

I welcome you all here, just don't drink the koolaid.