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Fly782 06-06-2012 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1206402)
I couldn't agree more. But if they pay us the same, it'll shut up a lot of people for a little while... Even a systemwide staffing bid wont help us, because they will fill vacancies with the new Saab guys and tell us we wont hold it like you said. The only thing the staffing bid will accomplish is remove this imaginary "seat lock." And last I heard, transitions were doing training with the new hires (minus basic indoc of course).

Wait do you guys have seat locks?

sandrich 06-06-2012 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Fly782 (Post 1206403)
Wait do you guys have seat locks?

Thats what we are being told. Ran a search for the word "seat lock" in the contract. Turned up nothing. Hm......anyone smell that?

nancy33 06-06-2012 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1206396)
IF (keyword "if") they pay us Saab pay, there is no violation of the contract... that being said, as of June 4th, the first day a training junior pilot got Saab pay, we should be getting Saab pay...and scabs? I wasn't aware we were on strike...

My worry is staffing on the 1900. We are very shorthanded in the NE. No one is being trained in the 1900, and we have pilots from up here going to FL or headed to the Saab. Who the hell is going to fly these routes?

Now days we cant strike or you end up striking a year or two later it is still assisting the company to violate the contract.

http://www.ibt1224.org/Downloads/GIA...ct/GIA_CBA.pdf

nancy33 06-06-2012 09:03 AM

I hope that turned out for those wondering what the contract says I don't know if I can share it but I am guessing it is ok since it is a legal doc.

Fly782 06-06-2012 09:04 AM


Originally Posted by sandrich (Post 1206408)
Thats what we are being told. Ran a search for the word "seat lock" in the contract. Turned up nothing. Hm......anyone smell that?

All, if not most, regionals have seatlocks (Pinnacolaba, Eagle, Skywest, etc.) Hopefully you guys realize that this happens EVERYWHERE, so quit whining. O and it is still cheapo Gulfstream, thankfully Saab also makes cars so you guys can find plenty of spare parts for your planes and not be as obvious.

nancy33 06-06-2012 09:06 AM

Read the contract NO seat lock on new equipment and it is new equipment so maybe you should read before you speak

nancy33 06-06-2012 09:07 AM

your telling me that if all those regionals got 737's and said it was a seat lock and hired new people into the left and right seat you would be happy?

sandrich 06-06-2012 09:11 AM

Honestly couldn't care if I flew the Saab or not, it's the money that matters.

From the contract: "A Pilot will be pay protected when a junior Pilot is advanced to his new
Status (Base, Equipment Type and Seat Position) before a more senior
Pilot is advanced to the same Status. This pay protection will be at 100%
of line value that the Pilot would have held in that new Status. If a Pilot
declines training in seniority, he will forfeit eligibility for pay protection."

The "would have held" part may be the loophole that management is talking about when they say "you can't hold the Saab, so you can't get the pay"

mexipilot84 06-06-2012 09:33 AM

Be interesting to see us FLL pilots get displaced when they pull the 1900 out and still no transition class, while new guys are holding FLL and the Saab. No new info from the union to protect us.

rightside02 06-06-2012 10:17 AM

Same thing happened there in 2007 and 2008. All supply and demand. Happened to me. And here I am
Takin the class on the 18th....

Never know how things could work out


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