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KSCessnaDriver 07-02-2014 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by Phxdvt17 (Post 1676731)
Hmmmm. Can you elaborate?

Look at the pay for a 208 at the major FedEx carriers and the turnover on pilots there (Empire, Mountain Air Cargo, Baron Aviation, etc...). It's a totally different world on the FedEx side, FedEx owns the 208's and ATR's and leases them to the 135 carriers.

AviatorG 07-03-2014 01:20 AM

Does anybody know the Pay scale for the Upgrade program, and afterwards, what are the chances of getting a base back in Texas?

Fixing to hit 900 and this kind of peaked my interest as well.


Originally Posted by own nav (Post 1676515)
Chieftain FOs:
5) CAPTAIN – PA31 UPGRADE PROGRAM

BASES – BUR, HWD, PDX, PHX

If you have more than 900 hours total flight time and would like to build multi-engine flight time with us (and get PAID for doing it!), please submit your pilot application with the notation under desired position as “PA31 Upgrade Program”. These positions are based in PDX, HWD, BUR, and PHX with the intention of building your flight time as quickly as possible so that we may use your services as a PIC under IFR (135.243(C)).


KSCessnaDriver 07-03-2014 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by AviatorG (Post 1676837)
Does anybody know the Pay scale for the Upgrade program, and afterwards, what are the chances of getting a base back in Texas?

Fixing to hit 900 and this kind of peaked my interest as well.

Considering the starting pay on the PA31/99 is now lower than what Martinaire pays, if you want to be in Texas, maybe check them out, unless you really want that multi time.

polymox 07-03-2014 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by AviatorG (Post 1676837)
Does anybody know the Pay scale for the Upgrade program, and afterwards, what are the chances of getting a base back in Texas?

Fixing to hit 900 and this kind of peaked my interest as well.

Haven't heard, but the required FOs get $24k a year. I'd probably plan on state minimum wage of $9/hr.

KSCessnaDriver 07-03-2014 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by polymox (Post 1677009)
Haven't heard, but the required FOs get $24k a year. I'd probably plan on state minimum wage of $9/hr.

You mean $7.25/hr once the company moves to Texas

polymox 07-03-2014 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver (Post 1677028)
You mean $7.25/hr once the company moves to Texas

Good point, but your base will still apply, so that would make it $7.90-$9.10.

8ballfreight 07-03-2014 12:04 PM

I know you sirs are joking, but to make this clear for the home gamers, we are exempt from minimum wage guarantee and ineligible for over time. This is why we get paid in "credits" not hours. If we were paid in hours at minimum wage, the minimum wage at 1.5X after 40/week would be a windfall for us pilots.

KSCessnaDriver 07-03-2014 12:13 PM


Originally Posted by 8ballfreight (Post 1677108)
I know you sirs are joking, but to make this clear for the home gamers, we are exempt from minimum wage guarantee and ineligible for over time. This is why we get paid in "credits" not hours. If we were paid in hours at minimum wage, the minimum wage at 1.5X after 40/week would be a windfall for us pilots.

Sure, once you're on a line, but in new hire training and I believe the PA31 SIC program is minimum wage for hours worked.

own nav 07-03-2014 12:20 PM

I hate to point out the obvious here, but I'm sure it's entirely for recruiting. They don't need an extra person in a PA31. The point is that they build time at AMF's expense, and repay their debt by signing a contract when they become a captain.

Is the pay great? Absolutely not, but it's an alternative to blowing tens of thousands of dollars building that mulit-time at their own expense.

8ballfreight 07-03-2014 12:39 PM

Sounds like the current captains are only "valuable".


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