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Old 08-29-2015, 09:55 AM   #2551  
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Would you rather be at AMF where you would still have a job and are still building flight time or would you rather be looking for a job at McD's while you wait to get called back from furlough? (AMF has never furloughed a pilot in their almost 50 year history.)
Yea, I hear those guys at Eagle were really happy about their increasing quality of life during the economic downturn. There are no good entry level jobs, pick your poison and hope you made the right choice that allows you to move on sooner rather than later. Talking to my regional I don't think they have it any better than us AMFers do...



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Old 08-29-2015, 01:31 PM   #2552  
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Would you rather be at AMF where you would still have a job and are still building flight time or would you rather be looking for a job at McD's while you wait to get called back from furlough? (AMF has never furloughed a pilot in their almost 50 year history.)
That is 100% incorrect. In 2011 they furloughed a class (recalled 6 days later) and pilots were furloughed from HWD last year.
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Old 08-29-2015, 01:32 PM   #2553  
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Yea, I hear those guys at Eagle were really happy about their increasing quality of life during the economic downturn. There are no good entry level jobs, pick your poison and hope you made the right choice that allows you to move on sooner rather than later. Talking to my regional I don't think they have it any better than us AMFers do...



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Next time, talk to guys who don't commute to work.
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Old 08-29-2015, 02:07 PM   #2554  
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Or, to put it another way;

Would you rather be at AMF where you would still have a job and are still building flight time or would you rather be looking for a job at McD's while you wait to get called back from furlough? (AMF has never furloughed a pilot in their almost 50 year history.)
Depends which regional you go to. I hear SkyWest has never furloughed either.
Also the other problem comes that majors want 121 time these days and are doing away with pic time. so another advantage of going to a regional is you get that experience where as most amf pilots end up at a regional anyway.
AMF single pilot makes you a better pilot, but it's also an added step in getting on with a major (certain majors) since all legacy carriers still prefer 121 time. if your final goal is alligent/spirit then sure, amf isn't delaying you any.
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Also the other problem comes that majors want 121 time these days and are doing away with pic time. so another advantage of going to a regional is you get that experience where as most amf pilots end up at a regional anyway.

Honest question here, what is the source for this? Try as I might I've never seen anybody say they specifically value 121 time over other types. Don't majors take fractional and Pt91 captains fairly regularly too? Cargo beats the PIC drum, Regionals and flight schools preach 121 and flow agreements. Both sides have a financial stake in getting a young pilot to see things their way. Any idea of where to find an unbiased source?


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Honest question here, what is the source for this? Try as I might I've never seen anybody say they specifically value 121 time over other types. Don't majors take fractional and Pt91 captains fairly regularly too? Cargo beats the PIC drum, Regionals and flight schools preach 121 and flow agreements. Both sides have a financial stake in getting a young pilot to see things their way. Any idea of where to find an unbiased source?


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my source is just from asking regional captains that recently went to classes at Delta, United, and American "where have the new hires come from" and they said at their classes about 90-95% are from regionals or other scheduled passenger airlines Or LARGE cargo carriers like ups and FedEx. those who aren't any of this are from military usually. For sure I haven't heard one tell me that they ran into ameriflight pilots that were direct hires and from my time at amf I also don't know a single one (personally) to have in recent years (last 10) made it to anywhere (major airline based) other than alligent. You hear people at amf say "well there was this one guy" but when asked for detail, no one seems to know who that "one guy" was.
so my source is asking pilots that I personally know to have been recently hired at legacy carriers and also pilots I know from amf and where they are now. a majority jump ship to a regional. Also once at a jump seat on delta I saw a newspaper of theirs saying were their most recent new hires came from and it pretty much listed all regionals, military and things like frontier, spirit, virgin America, ups, FedEx. the portion that said "other"' was only at 3% I believe.. don't 100% remember but it was really low.
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my source is just from asking regional captains that recently went to classes at Delta, United, and American "where have the new hires come from" and they said at their classes about 90-95% are from regionals or other scheduled passenger airlines Or LARGE cargo carriers like ups and FedEx. those who aren't any of this are from military usually. For sure I haven't heard one tell me that they ran into ameriflight pilots that were direct hires and from my time at amf I also don't know a single one (personally) to have in recent years (last 10) made it to anywhere (major airline based) other than alligent. You hear people at amf say "well there was this one guy" but when asked for detail, no one seems to know who that "one guy" was.
so my source is asking pilots that I personally know to have been recently hired at legacy carriers and also pilots I know from amf and where they are now. a majority jump ship to a regional. Also once at a jump seat on delta I saw a newspaper of theirs saying were their most recent new hires came from and it pretty much listed all regionals, military and things like frontier, spirit, virgin America, ups, FedEx. the portion that said "other"' was only at 3% I believe.. don't 100% remember but it was really low.
I can give you two reasons why that is.

First, AMF is such a small part of the pool of pilots compared to the regionals that looking at it from the airline side they are bound to be a small number.

Second, the perception that we are discussing is CAUSING so many guys that start at AMF to leave quickly to go to the regionals to get the 121 time that they never get to the flight time level to be competitive at the majors like they did over 10 years ago.

And I do personally know of about a dozen who went to large airlines direct from AMF. But, as you say, that was back a little over 10 years ago when the hiring first started back up post 9/11. And guys were leaving AMF at 4-5000 hours total time.
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Everyone wants to talk about guys who left AMF directly to a major, but they forget to add they were prior military and needed currency lol.
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I will say that a lot of runs aren't great time builders, at around 2 hours of block a day. If it was regional or 350 hours a year of metro time, I would choose the regional. I'm at about 7-800 a year on my current run, there are some runs that do more than that. I want my 1000 TPIC so I'll get that just over a year in. AMF for 10 years? Kill me now. Get in, get your time, and move on.


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Anyone who has been at AMF for a decade or more and isn't in top management, really doesn't understand the industry in which they spent 100,000 grand to be a part of.
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