Ameriflight
11-08-2016, 12:31 PM
#3361
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Originally Posted by Jetlife
"There have been a lot of questions about logging time as an Ameriflight second in command (SIC). Ameriflight has a exemption (9770D) that allows a pilot to log SIC time, this exemption is an exemption to FAR 61.51 (F) (2) which reads:
FAR 61.51 (F) (2)
(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. Aperson may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of § 61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmemberstation in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by theaircraft's type certificate; or
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrumentrating(if an instrumentrating is required for the flight) for the aircraftbeing flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.
Exemption 9770D
There is one paragraph in the exemption that limits flight time logged as SIC. The time logged under this exemption cannot be used to gain an additional rating or certificate including the ATP. (see page two (2) paragraph one (1) under conditions and limitations of the exemption document attached). This exemption applies to all first officers at Ameriflight except those assigned to the EMB 120.
What does this mean?
If you as are assigned as a first officer in any Ameriflight aircraft except the EMB 120, the time you log is SIC time. It counts towards your total time but cannot be used for the hours required to gain an ATP certificate.
I hope this information clears up any questions regarding the subject, please fell free to send me a note if you have any further questions.
Thanks"
New hires, go in informed.
FAR 61.51 (F) (2)
(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. Aperson may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of § 61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmemberstation in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by theaircraft's type certificate; or
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrumentrating(if an instrumentrating is required for the flight) for the aircraftbeing flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.
Exemption 9770D
There is one paragraph in the exemption that limits flight time logged as SIC. The time logged under this exemption cannot be used to gain an additional rating or certificate including the ATP. (see page two (2) paragraph one (1) under conditions and limitations of the exemption document attached). This exemption applies to all first officers at Ameriflight except those assigned to the EMB 120.
What does this mean?
If you as are assigned as a first officer in any Ameriflight aircraft except the EMB 120, the time you log is SIC time. It counts towards your total time but cannot be used for the hours required to gain an ATP certificate.
I hope this information clears up any questions regarding the subject, please fell free to send me a note if you have any further questions.
Thanks"
New hires, go in informed.
11-08-2016, 03:13 PM
#3362
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Position: single pilot cargo, turboprop
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Originally Posted by higherclimb
Does that mean if a first officer flies 300 hours as 2nd in command on a Beech 1900 to get to 1500 hours for ATP mins and apply to a regional airlines, you can't use it?
Where this applies, as far as I read it, if you were to become a 1900 FO at 900 hours, fly 300 hours as SIC to become a captain, when you hit 1500 hours, the 300 hours SIC would be unusable to get your ATP, so you would need to continue to 1800 for the total time requirement.
Saw this on Jetcareers, thanks for posting Jetlife. I didn't get the point of the memo when I first glanced over it, good to know.
11-08-2016, 07:25 PM
#3363
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Originally Posted by higherclimb
Does that mean if a first officer flies 300 hours as 2nd in command on a Beech 1900 to get to 1500 hours for ATP mins and apply to a regional airlines, you can't use it?
11-09-2016, 10:56 PM
#3364
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Originally Posted by higherclimb
Does that mean if a first officer flies 300 hours as 2nd in command on a Beech 1900 to get to 1500 hours for ATP mins and apply to a regional airlines, you can't use it?
11-10-2016, 11:26 AM
#3365
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Originally Posted by frmrbuffdrvr
If 300 hours would get you to 1500, you are already at part 135 mins and so we wouldn't hire you into an FO spot. We would look to put you into the left seat of a BE99. And that would certainly apply.
11-10-2016, 12:47 PM
#3366
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Kind of big news...
Management announced a "Flow through" agreement to Omni Air.
You need 1250 hours TPIC, 1000 in type rated equipment, 18 months with AMF, a letter of recommendation from management, not owe on a training contract, meet omni-air's standard employment provisions (whatever that means), and participate in an Omni-Air career development program such as a ride along.
They aim to place 12 pilots to Omni per year. This is based on seniority.
Also, we are getting a reciprocal jumpseat with Omni.
Management announced a "Flow through" agreement to Omni Air.
You need 1250 hours TPIC, 1000 in type rated equipment, 18 months with AMF, a letter of recommendation from management, not owe on a training contract, meet omni-air's standard employment provisions (whatever that means), and participate in an Omni-Air career development program such as a ride along.
They aim to place 12 pilots to Omni per year. This is based on seniority.
Also, we are getting a reciprocal jumpseat with Omni.
11-10-2016, 12:54 PM
#3367
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Position: single pilot cargo, turboprop
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Originally Posted by sobo
Kind of big news...
Management announced a "Flow through" agreement to Omni Air.
You need 1250 hours TPIC, 1000 in type rated equipment, 18 months with AMF, a letter of recommendation from management, not owe on a training contract, meet omni-air's standard employment provisions (whatever that means), and participate in an Omni-Air career development program such as a ride along.
They aim to place 12 pilots to Omni per year. This is based on seniority.
Also, we are getting a reciprocal jumpseat with Omni.
Management announced a "Flow through" agreement to Omni Air.
You need 1250 hours TPIC, 1000 in type rated equipment, 18 months with AMF, a letter of recommendation from management, not owe on a training contract, meet omni-air's standard employment provisions (whatever that means), and participate in an Omni-Air career development program such as a ride along.
They aim to place 12 pilots to Omni per year. This is based on seniority.
Also, we are getting a reciprocal jumpseat with Omni.
11-10-2016, 01:00 PM
#3368
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Originally Posted by own nav
Careful with the term "flow through," Jetlife will rip you a new one.
I'm not entirely sure if it is a flow through or preferential hiring. It sounds like a flow through. The ominous line of the letter states that they're looking to place 1 pilot per month, based on seniority and "the company's ability to release pilots".
Take it for what you will.
Omni's hiring page says min requirements are 2000 hours, 1000PIC (Turbine a plus) and an ATP written. So this doesn't sound too far fetched.
11-10-2016, 10:03 PM
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Here is the actual text of the announcement. It reads to me that if you fulfill the requirements, you will be hired. Not just given an interview.
"In our continued effort to provide our flight crew members multiple career paths
that can be obtained through Ameriflight, we are extremely excited to announce
that we have entered a formal agreement with Omni Air International which will
provide a career path under which Ameriflight pilots can advance to a FAR Part
121 certificated air carrier of the high caliber of Omni Air International. Omni
operates an all Boeing fleet which is consists of 767 & 777 aircraft. They
operate domestic, international, scheduled and charter flights.
All current and incoming Ameriflight pilots are eligible for the program. Omni
plans on running 3-4 classes per year and we are working with them to provide
at least 1 qualified Ameriflight pilot per month. To qualify for the program you
must.
Have completed at least 18 months of employment at Ameriflight. Have
1250 hours PIC turbine at Ameriflight (1000 hrs in type rated
equipment). (Modifications to the hourly requirement may be granted to
Training Captains and/or Check Airmen with the approval of the Chief
Pilot)
A letter of recommendation from the VP of Flight or Chief Pilot.
Be in good standing with Ameriflight in regards to financial obligations
and/or agreements.
Completed a satisfactory review by Omni of attendance, dependability,
reliability, training records and disciplinary action records.
Meet all of Omni’s standard new-hire corporate employment provisions.
Have participated in professional career development and programs as
provided by Omni Air International, including, but not limited to,
advanced Omni preparatory training, observation flights on the Omni
flight deck, and/or mentoring or coaching sessions provided by Omni
Any Ameriflight pilot interested in enrolling in the Omni Air International Career
Path Pilot Program should contact the us at [email protected].
The Chief Pilots Office will maintain a list of enrolled pilots and will provide
names to Omni on a “list seniority” basis along with the company’s ability to
release pilots."
And from what I was told by the DO, we have similar agreements coming soon with two other carriers. I haven't seen a formal announcement yet, so I won't say at this time who they are.
"In our continued effort to provide our flight crew members multiple career paths
that can be obtained through Ameriflight, we are extremely excited to announce
that we have entered a formal agreement with Omni Air International which will
provide a career path under which Ameriflight pilots can advance to a FAR Part
121 certificated air carrier of the high caliber of Omni Air International. Omni
operates an all Boeing fleet which is consists of 767 & 777 aircraft. They
operate domestic, international, scheduled and charter flights.
All current and incoming Ameriflight pilots are eligible for the program. Omni
plans on running 3-4 classes per year and we are working with them to provide
at least 1 qualified Ameriflight pilot per month. To qualify for the program you
must.
Have completed at least 18 months of employment at Ameriflight. Have
1250 hours PIC turbine at Ameriflight (1000 hrs in type rated
equipment). (Modifications to the hourly requirement may be granted to
Training Captains and/or Check Airmen with the approval of the Chief
Pilot)
A letter of recommendation from the VP of Flight or Chief Pilot.
Be in good standing with Ameriflight in regards to financial obligations
and/or agreements.
Completed a satisfactory review by Omni of attendance, dependability,
reliability, training records and disciplinary action records.
Meet all of Omni’s standard new-hire corporate employment provisions.
Have participated in professional career development and programs as
provided by Omni Air International, including, but not limited to,
advanced Omni preparatory training, observation flights on the Omni
flight deck, and/or mentoring or coaching sessions provided by Omni
Any Ameriflight pilot interested in enrolling in the Omni Air International Career
Path Pilot Program should contact the us at [email protected].
The Chief Pilots Office will maintain a list of enrolled pilots and will provide
names to Omni on a “list seniority” basis along with the company’s ability to
release pilots."
And from what I was told by the DO, we have similar agreements coming soon with two other carriers. I haven't seen a formal announcement yet, so I won't say at this time who they are.
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