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Why would an airline in an industry awash in pilots hire people without ATP’s??

The industry always oscillates between looking for space shuttle qualified personnel and hiring people with a pulse. It is just the way it is!!

4-12 months from now they will begging anyone legally capable of filling a seat in a sim. Right now they are cherry picking and reducing costs by a fraction because they can.

sanicom3205

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I have a feeling he was hired just a wee bit before FOs needed an ATP....

At the end of the day, Piedmont paying for the ATP CTP program was a form of payment. And yet, there are pilots who are happy to defend cutting that payment.... sounds more like you were the one who is interested in a management type position but what do I know

Cicada

Why would an airline that is far behind minority hiring, put a new woman in charge of hiring? Because they want more women and minorities. The ATP/CTP course is simply another cost to them like sims, bias training, captain charm school and CRM class.

Your " it's just the way it is" is, until it isn't. And now it isn't. Done, over.
Lori has already been deluged with calls from training schools, female and minority pilots. Standby Piedmont.
Incoming.

IVVIB

Why? Obviously PDT thinks they need to save money. The cost of that course is universal, it’s not weighted more heavily towards certain genders or racial groups. Unless someone is privately wealthy every pilot needs to find a way to pay for ratings. Assuming it’s automatically harder for certain groups to pay for flight school is backwards thinking. Only hiring ATP rated pilots universally limits potential hires, whereas publicly stating the preferential hiring of certain groups is discriminatory. I don’t see how narrowing universal hiring criteria is a violation of ‘inclusivity’ goals.

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I don’t know anything about minority hiring and therefore will not and did not address it.

I only spoke about ATP’s/CTP’s and how the industry is awash in them, temporarily.

To my knowledge Piedmont is a reactive culture and not proactive but what do I know!! I will fly with anyone qualified. Period.

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Sanicom you quoted “standardrate” but mention me?

I am only stating things as I seem them. How I see them is like this:

July 1940: England. You have 10 hours in a Piper Cub and the RAF makes you an officer and gives you a Hurricane.

1947: USA. You have 2000 hours of multi engine combat time and no one will hire you because you aren’t competitive.

1965 USA. You get a job at United with 200 hours and fly 747’s into the sunset!!

2001 USA. DO NOT PASS GO!!

And so on and so on!! Boom followed by bust followed by boom followed by bust.

I hope everyone gets where they want to be without too much delay!!

TransWorld

Used to be the one strip-er in the cockpit was the trainee (or navigator or radio person). Two was FE, Three was FO, Four was CA. The trainee was an observer with zero flight hours.

Cicada

i think you summed it up perfectly with " reactive culture". That's a perfect summation.

i simply say what I say because of people at Delaware State. Look up their flight program. A lot of those kids were recently ripe to be hired at 1000 hrs at a company like Piedmont. Del. State has interested certain flag officers from Del. Air Guard, particularly the African American one. They have been very active with Del State. These same people greeted a senator from Delaware on a regular basis who was senator, then a VP and now a President. He was at one of those guys promotions fairly often. They greeted him on his trips via air to their state. Ernie Talbert and Carol Timmons. Carol is not living now but Ernie is, and I certainly expect him to go to bat for those kids.

Additionally, PSA is hiring without the ATP. A number of females related to Legacy AA pilots are going there instead of Piedmont. Female AA pilots now asking Lori Cline what's going on.
How is Piedmont attempting to hire a more diverse pilot group, one that might eventually flow to AA to meet their diversity target? They're not, and it's being noticed.

ClappedOut145

I for one applaud PDT. They are taking advantage of the market that has excess pilots. Some people in here have a serious panty twist about those who can check boxes. Just because you can check a box doesn’t make you more deserving of a job. PDT and every airline should strive to hire nothing but the best available pilots. The color of their skin and what’s between their legs should have zero bearing on who gets hired. I want the best pilot up front, not the best of a sub group.

sanicom3205

“At the end of the day, Piedmont paying for the ATP CTP program was a form of payment. And yet, there are pilots who are happy to defend cutting that payment....”

Congrats on having a stance that financially hurts ALL pilots without ATPs.

Let’s say that hypothetically you have a captain who got hired at Piedmont with an ATP and plenty of jet time. He’s collectively regarded as being awful to fly with, has poor hygiene, and is scary behind the yoke. He does things like leave an engine running at an outstation and FaceTime the ground crew to instruct them how to shut it down AFTER they’ve called his hotel room to ask him why “the screens are still on”.

This hypothetical pilot, given everything I’ve made up about him, was almost certainly hired because he had an ATP. Clearly he is not “the best pilot up front” they could have found. He got hired because he checked the box (your words) of having an ATP.

You’re defending Piedmont taking the cheap route and conflating ATP holders with better pilots, probably because you get to denounce “box checking” as that aligns with your political leanings. But hiring someone because they cost the company $5,000 less isn’t about skill - it’s about nothing but money. The most important box to check for the bean counters.