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A lot of people will find an acceptable option and take it rather than methodically seeking the best option.

FlyyGuyy

great places. a tiny PHL, ORF? DAY? CVG? TYS? CLT is insanely senior at this point.

Are people really going to PSA for domiciles? I doubt it. Cannot be that many people in DAY, ORF or CVG...if there was they wouldn't be stuffing most of the NHs there. And then they ALL bid out.

Jecain7

knowing what I know now (a year and 2 weeks from start) I should've done EDV. There is no reason for someone to come here now unless you're living in base that doesn't include CLT.

Thedude86

I also don’t think there can be that many people coming for the bases. I understand living in base can be a game changer, but now that its getting out that you can make 30k-40k a year more at other places, i would think there would be more people willing to commute or move for that kind of pay difference.

I think the big factor is the RTP guys. Ive heard each class consists of anywhere from 25% to 50% of RTPs. That’s pretty significant. If we didn’t have the RTP program our classes would be pretty slim. My last 3 or 4 trips have been with RTPs.

Like I said before, I don’t fault these guys at all. If i had an offer like what those guys are getting I’m sure i would do the same thing. Its just frustrating that people who aren’t even on property yet are making out pretty good, while current employees are getting ****** on. Being forced to upgrade to sit reserve for years to other cities and some of these people even moved to CLT or wherever WANTING to live in base. All this and we get a big fat NOTHING. QOL pretty much going down the tubes without anything in return while people who haven’t even started yet are getting 20k to 30k in incentives.

FlyyGuyy

It does suck to think that at my longevity at endeavor i would be making nearly 100$ an hour. I have less than a year left, unless someone better calls in the mean time. I can live with that.

When I cam to PSA it was solely for the growth. Didn't that the planes were new or any of the politics. I just knew that being at the front of a hiring wave would be good for me.

Historically this business is very competitive, cut throat even. Try to play the odds as best you can to set yourself up for success. Everywhere has pretty quick upgrades. So that makes it an even playing field in that regard. Go somewhere where the compensation is more in line with your skillset. That's my two cents. (unless theres another factor, like the RTP program)

Thedude86

Tell me about it. After the Christmas LOA last year, i did the math and i would have made over 15k on Endeavor pay in December alone and i even had 15 days off. On top of that, that’s not really that far of a stretch for those guys even in a normal month.

Thedude86

I think at this point the company probably knows the flow isn’t much of a recruiting tool anymore. Hopefully the flow math is starting to make its way out. But the flow is definitely a retention tool for anyone in the top 500-700. If it wasn’t for the flow I think a lot more people would be going to places like spirit, Allegiant, JetBlue, etc. i think the captain attrition would be higher than the 10 a month flowing if we didn’t have the flow.

FlyyGuyy

just flew with a new-er fo today. hes got a spirit interview already. <1000 hours 121 sic...let that sink in.

chrisreedrules

Being a line holder isn’t even that great at PSA either. My original award doesn’t include 1 single 4 day worth over 19 hours. I have a 15 hour 4 day on my original award. The inefficiency of the trips that the company builds is almost unreal at this place. Almost 1900 pilots and we’re struggling to staff 130-something aircraft.

Company: “SAP is the cause of inefficiencies”.

Pilots: “We would SAP a lot less if you built better trips”.

Company: “Here’s PBS”.

irrelevant

Lol...so true.