PSA Rapid Upgrade?
08-14-2018, 06:53 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
Being a line holder isn’t even that great at PSA either. My original award doesn’t include 1 single 4 day worth over 19 hours. I have a 15 hour 4 day on my original award. The inefficiency of the trips that the company builds is almost unreal at this place. Almost 1900 pilots and we’re struggling to staff 130-something aircraft.
Company: “SAP is the cause of inefficiencies”.
Pilots: “We would SAP a lot less if you built better trips”.
Company: “Here’s PBS”.
Company: “SAP is the cause of inefficiencies”.
Pilots: “We would SAP a lot less if you built better trips”.
Company: “Here’s PBS”.
08-14-2018, 11:02 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by spankthatrudder
This place is a dumpster fire the things I would do to go back 2 years and reconsider my two other offers at 9e and republic.
His posts lately have taken on a much different tone. Which is very telling.
08-14-2018, 11:50 AM
#44
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Originally Posted by itsmytime
The change in demeanor of "chrisreed" is really telling. Early this year, he was full of optimism. "Things are in the works, payrates are coming, i've got sources inside."
His posts lately have taken on a much different tone. Which is very telling.
His posts lately have taken on a much different tone. Which is very telling.
I think everyone was already upset earlier this year, but we were also at least optimistic that change was coming after the Endeavor and Republic votes thinking we were about to see something as well. I have even referred a few friends in the past. But now I can not consciously refer someone even for a $5,000 referral bonus. What kind of friend would I be?
It’s become obvious that we aren’t going to see any kind of changes until classes start drying up. Doesn’t matter if you’re forced to upgrade into a different base after you just bought a new house. Forced to sit reserve for years with less days off for a measly few hundred bucks extra a month (hope you don’t need a crashpad). Abusing reserves. Sitting hot reserve to the max every month now. First out last out requests that the company doesn’t even honor. SAP, the only good thing we ever had, is now just about dead and useless. Seniority did not matter with SAP. Now you have to hope to get awarded a decent original line because who knows if you’ll be able trade for anything decent during SAP and hope it doesn’t get denied when it finally processes 7 hours later.
Like I’ve said a million times before, even if we match Endeavor rates we will still be below average with our crappy soft pay, reserve rules, and other work rules. To bring us up in the same ball park as Endeavor or Republic we’re going to need 7 or 8 new LOAs. Not just pay rates.
For anyone considering PSA, the only reason to come here is if you live in one of our bases, but even that is a stretch when you can commute and still have more days off and higher pay elsewhere. If you really want to come to PSA I would suggest waiting a few months and see if there’s any changes that occur. I know seniority is king in the airline industry, but we’re never going to see anything if we’re still filling classes. Which is still beyond me how that’s happening.
08-14-2018, 02:22 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by itsmytime
The change in demeanor of "chrisreed" is really telling. Early this year, he was full of optimism. "Things are in the works, payrates are coming, i've got sources inside."
His posts lately have taken on a much different tone. Which is very telling.
His posts lately have taken on a much different tone. Which is very telling.
What has made it worse is the continued degradation of the SAP. Processing times have been frustrating. What has made it worse is the absolute joke our trips are. There is absolutely no reason for there to be such low-credit junk awarded to line holders. Lately this place has just felt like a continuous dose of, “the hits just keep on coming”.
Personally, I wouldn’t expect any drastic improvements in pay. I think it’s much cheaper for AAG to increase the flow as a continued enticement for pilots to stay and to continue attracting new hires. Any increase in pay or major contractual improvements will only come once they’ve exhausted all other options and the wheels are about to fall off. Classes are still mostly full so a lot of our leverage isn’t there at the moment.
Bottom line, if you have offers from Endeavor, Republic, and PSA... The choice should be clear. They have much better contracts and work rules and vastly better pay. PSA’s SAP used to be a huge reason to come here but I can’t say that it makes much of a difference anymore when the processing times are so long. Our trips are garbage compared to many other regionals. The flow is something nice to have in your back pocket but for a new hire, so much will change over the next 5-7 years that a guaranteed flow to anywhere shouldn’t be your primary concern.
I encourage all of you to engage your respective LEC reps and have a conversation about who they would like to see as the next MEC Chair. Your LEC reps will choose the next MEC Chair. There are a couple of people that I think are the most likely to be elected to the position and I know who I would like.
Our next MEC Chair will oversee PSA ALPA during what is likely to be one of the most tumultuous times this industry has seen in a decade. Much has changed in the regional (and major) airline industries and there is more change to come. Reach out and ask them who they would like to see be the next MEC Chair and why...
08-14-2018, 02:59 PM
#46
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 66
I still believe attrition is the solution; and it should pick up in 2019. If attrition picks up PSA will be forced to develop a more efficient schedule; we’re not there yet.
None of the above addresses the hard/soft pay and reserve issues, but short time on reserve and 25 hr four day trips would go a long way to improving morale.
None of the above addresses the hard/soft pay and reserve issues, but short time on reserve and 25 hr four day trips would go a long way to improving morale.
08-14-2018, 03:43 PM
#47
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Originally Posted by Malcolm Tent
If attrition picks up PSA will be forced to develop a more efficient schedule; we’re not there yet.
Be careful what you wish for...
PBS does not imply better trips.
Building better parings makes for better trips!
Management's idea of greater efficiency is pilots working more days per month. Without extra pay. That is their main objective with PBS. It's not about building more efficient trip schedules. They certainly don't need PBS to generate better pairings or trips!
Right now, CLT is such a mess. It's way over capacity. Especially the E Con. They want and need inefficient trips. Why? It's the inefficient trips that allow planes and crews to get back on schedule as the summer WX and CLT ramp wrecks havoc on the overly-optimistic flight schedules.
Think about it this way: If you didn't have wasted time on your schedule, there would be no recovery time for the regular ramp clusters that occur.
08-14-2018, 03:48 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly
(Not necessarily directed at the OP.)
Be careful what you wish for...
PBS does not imply better trips.
Building better parings makes for better trips!
Management's idea of greater efficiency is pilots working more days per month. Without extra pay. That is their main objective with PBS. It's not about building more efficient trip schedules. They certainly don't need PBS to generate better pairings or trips!
Right now, CLT is such a mess. It's way over capacity. Especially the E Con. They want and need inefficient trips. Why? It's the inefficient trips that allow planes and crews to get back on schedule as the summer WX and CLT ramp wrecks havoc on the overly-optimistic flight schedules.
Think about it this way: If you didn't have wasted time on your schedule, there would be no recovery time for the regular ramp clusters that occur.
Be careful what you wish for...
PBS does not imply better trips.
Building better parings makes for better trips!
Management's idea of greater efficiency is pilots working more days per month. Without extra pay. That is their main objective with PBS. It's not about building more efficient trip schedules. They certainly don't need PBS to generate better pairings or trips!
Right now, CLT is such a mess. It's way over capacity. Especially the E Con. They want and need inefficient trips. Why? It's the inefficient trips that allow planes and crews to get back on schedule as the summer WX and CLT ramp wrecks havoc on the overly-optimistic flight schedules.
Think about it this way: If you didn't have wasted time on your schedule, there would be no recovery time for the regular ramp clusters that occur.
Duty rigs fix that, 10 hours duty=5 hours pay.
To be fair, training, vacation and leave split trips inefficiently also Fatigue calls shape paring builds.
For sure, round1 lines should be much more efficient
08-19-2018, 10:32 PM
#49
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Joined APC: Jul 2018
Position: FO
Posts: 93
Originally Posted by Thedude86
I was thinking the same thing.
I think everyone was already upset earlier this year, but we were also at least optimistic that change was coming after the Endeavor and Republic votes thinking we were about to see something as well. I have even referred a few friends in the past. But now I can not consciously refer someone even for a $5,000 referral bonus. What kind of friend would I be?
It’s become obvious that we aren’t going to see any kind of changes until classes start drying up. Doesn’t matter if you’re forced to upgrade into a different base after you just bought a new house. Forced to sit reserve for years with less days off for a measly few hundred bucks extra a month (hope you don’t need a crashpad). Abusing reserves. Sitting hot reserve to the max every month now. First out last out requests that the company doesn’t even honor. SAP, the only good thing we ever had, is now just about dead and useless. Seniority did not matter with SAP. Now you have to hope to get awarded a decent original line because who knows if you’ll be able trade for anything decent during SAP and hope it doesn’t get denied when it finally processes 7 hours later.
Like I’ve said a million times before, even if we match Endeavor rates we will still be below average with our crappy soft pay, reserve rules, and other work rules. To bring us up in the same ball park as Endeavor or Republic we’re going to need 7 or 8 new LOAs. Not just pay rates.
For anyone considering PSA, the only reason to come here is if you live in one of our bases, but even that is a stretch when you can commute and still have more days off and higher pay elsewhere. If you really want to come to PSA I would suggest waiting a few months and see if there’s any changes that occur. I know seniority is king in the airline industry, but we’re never going to see anything if we’re still filling classes. Which is still beyond me how that’s happening.
I think everyone was already upset earlier this year, but we were also at least optimistic that change was coming after the Endeavor and Republic votes thinking we were about to see something as well. I have even referred a few friends in the past. But now I can not consciously refer someone even for a $5,000 referral bonus. What kind of friend would I be?
It’s become obvious that we aren’t going to see any kind of changes until classes start drying up. Doesn’t matter if you’re forced to upgrade into a different base after you just bought a new house. Forced to sit reserve for years with less days off for a measly few hundred bucks extra a month (hope you don’t need a crashpad). Abusing reserves. Sitting hot reserve to the max every month now. First out last out requests that the company doesn’t even honor. SAP, the only good thing we ever had, is now just about dead and useless. Seniority did not matter with SAP. Now you have to hope to get awarded a decent original line because who knows if you’ll be able trade for anything decent during SAP and hope it doesn’t get denied when it finally processes 7 hours later.
Like I’ve said a million times before, even if we match Endeavor rates we will still be below average with our crappy soft pay, reserve rules, and other work rules. To bring us up in the same ball park as Endeavor or Republic we’re going to need 7 or 8 new LOAs. Not just pay rates.
For anyone considering PSA, the only reason to come here is if you live in one of our bases, but even that is a stretch when you can commute and still have more days off and higher pay elsewhere. If you really want to come to PSA I would suggest waiting a few months and see if there’s any changes that occur. I know seniority is king in the airline industry, but we’re never going to see anything if we’re still filling classes. Which is still beyond me how that’s happening.
08-20-2018, 04:23 AM
#50
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Originally Posted by bscott58d
^^^^ his right here! I hope PSA figures it out sooner than later for those that decide to come or stay. The pilot group has been awesome, but the reserve\ scheduling incompetence got to the point I gave my two weeks. I’m sure all regionals have their issues but between the YX and 9E CJO I’m deciding between, it can’t be worse than here.
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