I Love PSA
11-30-2013 | 08:04 PM
#3171
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Everyone is having trouble filling new hire classes.
The entry level requirements for this profession have just increased 3 (for military) to 6 (for off the street) times for anyone looking to get in. That requires more time, patience and most importantly money.
Of course the pool of qualified and willing applicants has shrunk. Yet all that has to happen is management feign shutdown and a spineless group like PSA, that wasn't even in bankruptcy, will bend over.
If they won't stand up for themselves now, then when will they ever? When will they find their backbone?
They are selling themselves short and jeopardizing their future mainline jobs they are so desperately trying to get by selling everyone else out. They have set the trend for ever cheaper regional feed, which means regional carriers will continue to remain very attractive for outsourcing. Management will find a way around mainline scope, they always do. There is a much bigger picture the PSA pilots missed
The entry level requirements for this profession have just increased 3 (for military) to 6 (for off the street) times for anyone looking to get in. That requires more time, patience and most importantly money.
Of course the pool of qualified and willing applicants has shrunk. Yet all that has to happen is management feign shutdown and a spineless group like PSA, that wasn't even in bankruptcy, will bend over.
If they won't stand up for themselves now, then when will they ever? When will they find their backbone?
They are selling themselves short and jeopardizing their future mainline jobs they are so desperately trying to get by selling everyone else out. They have set the trend for ever cheaper regional feed, which means regional carriers will continue to remain very attractive for outsourcing. Management will find a way around mainline scope, they always do. There is a much bigger picture the PSA pilots missed
However, the nonsense that you people continue to spew is becoming pretty comical in nature. Now that the XJT TA is out it is pretty clear that your doomsday prophecies of how PSA's contract was going to be shoved down everyone's throat is pretty much garbage.
They have not one single(negative) item in common.
I said this a few posts ago and since no one answered I'll throw it out there again:
Other than our pay caps(which won't amount to much $ after a blended rate increase and 1% yearly increase), and the 10 years, what exactly makes PSA's contract so terrible compared to others? Some of the stuff I saw from XJT looks pretty brutal....movable days off, MMG language, captain as FO, contact with company on rest, rig loss......etc, etc.
Give me a break. You people are always spouting off about how "pay rates don't mean anything without supporting language".......Unless we can bash another group about them.
11-30-2013 | 09:48 PM
#3173
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I was pretty mad when our TA passed. I'm over it now and it actually looks like things might be swinging towards what they(Airways) told us was going to go down.
However, the nonsense that you people continue to spew is becoming pretty comical in nature. Now that the XJT TA is out it is pretty clear that your doomsday prophecies of how PSA's contract was going to be shoved down everyone's throat is pretty much garbage.
They have not one single(negative) item in common.
I said this a few posts ago and since no one answered I'll throw it out there again:
Other than our pay caps(which won't amount to much $ after a blended rate increase and 1% yearly increase), and the 10 years, what exactly makes PSA's contract so terrible compared to others? Some of the stuff I saw from XJT looks pretty brutal....movable days off, MMG language, captain as FO, contact with company on rest, rig loss......etc, etc.
Give me a break. You people are always spouting off about how "pay rates don't mean anything without supporting language".......Unless we can bash another group about them.
However, the nonsense that you people continue to spew is becoming pretty comical in nature. Now that the XJT TA is out it is pretty clear that your doomsday prophecies of how PSA's contract was going to be shoved down everyone's throat is pretty much garbage.
They have not one single(negative) item in common.
I said this a few posts ago and since no one answered I'll throw it out there again:
Other than our pay caps(which won't amount to much $ after a blended rate increase and 1% yearly increase), and the 10 years, what exactly makes PSA's contract so terrible compared to others? Some of the stuff I saw from XJT looks pretty brutal....movable days off, MMG language, captain as FO, contact with company on rest, rig loss......etc, etc.
Give me a break. You people are always spouting off about how "pay rates don't mean anything without supporting language".......Unless we can bash another group about them.
^^^^gets it.
It doesn't matter how who voted. It's a diplomatic process I respect. So, we are left with what's left, which is the new contract. Which I will echo what Pagey is saying... Things are actually going the way they are supposed to. Surprise surprise. And before you people jump on here and say management will lie to us...think for one second imagine a contract that's followed. Mind blowing isn't it?
12-01-2013 | 03:25 AM
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12-01-2013 | 05:30 AM
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ok dude......
XJT: 100/hr x 75/month x 12months = $90000 + $5400(401k match at max) = $95400
PSA: $93/hr x 75/month x 12months = $83700 + $7950(401K) = $91650
I don't know XJT new max rates but I assumed about 100 since everyone was complaining about no raises. I used 93 for PSA due to our blended rate increase plus 1% over the next 5 years. Yea ok, we are less but cmon, its not significant and you know it.
This is not including our stellar(I'm being serious) critical pay language and the massive QoL item in our schedule adjustment period.
Dude.......
XJT: 100/hr x 75/month x 12months = $90000 + $5400(401k match at max) = $95400
PSA: $93/hr x 75/month x 12months = $83700 + $7950(401K) = $91650
I don't know XJT new max rates but I assumed about 100 since everyone was complaining about no raises. I used 93 for PSA due to our blended rate increase plus 1% over the next 5 years. Yea ok, we are less but cmon, its not significant and you know it.
This is not including our stellar(I'm being serious) critical pay language and the massive QoL item in our schedule adjustment period.
Dude.......
12-01-2013 | 05:49 AM
#3176
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You're using hourly rates that take almost 20years to achieve (most people won't even be there half that long) where you've already maxed out on the 401k match percentage.
Take QX for example a nothing to brag about 6% match $1 for $1 from day one. That's one place that's better.
XJT probably has a stat quo contract because that's the new trend now it's either concessions or no increases which seems to be the case with your contract. If other companies fought for gains that would be the industry trend.
Take QX for example a nothing to brag about 6% match $1 for $1 from day one. That's one place that's better.
XJT probably has a stat quo contract because that's the new trend now it's either concessions or no increases which seems to be the case with your contract. If other companies fought for gains that would be the industry trend.
12-01-2013 | 05:59 AM
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Disclaimer: I don't want to see what happened to Comair to anyone else so, hopefully your management will abide to what is in the contract.
That being said, I could care less about the others and how they voted on your contract because no one came across like you did. For some reason, you kept insisting that you will be voting no but kept supporting the contract. Now, you seem as giddy as a guy who is about to get laid for the first time. So for the third time, how exactly did you vote?
That being said, I could care less about the others and how they voted on your contract because no one came across like you did. For some reason, you kept insisting that you will be voting no but kept supporting the contract. Now, you seem as giddy as a guy who is about to get laid for the first time. So for the third time, how exactly did you vote?
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