What?

You are grasping at straws cruz. No one has rigs in the regionals other than who? Awac and Xjt? Xjts is gone if they vote in their new TA.

Does compass have rigs?

 

SkyWest, ExpressJet, Awac, and Horizon have them. That's about 8,000 pilots that currently have them.

Carriers like expressjet wouldn't be pressured to eliminate theirs if places like PSA would stop lowering the bar.

 

we have 500 pilots.....There is no way XJT with 4000+ pilots was "pressured" by what we have.(we never had rigs anyway) You are dreaming if you think there was an exchange in the room during XJT negotiations that went along the lines of "PSA has no rigs so you can't have them either.

What happened to "pay rates don't mean anything without supporting work rules?"

O right, you people who constantly complain about everything need something new to get on your soapbox about. We have good rules to make money above our pay rates......but that doesn't count anymore does it because its now our fault that XJT's TA blows.

Total cost of a contract is a way bigger issue than just pay rates when it comes to negotiations. PSA's contract is middle of the road cost wise AT WORST when things other than rates are considered.

 

You are right. I'm sure it went more like: "To compete with PSA, Endeavor, etc... We propose removing your duty rigs".

Whether y'all like to believe it or not, the concessions you all agreed to has contributed to the concessionary TA that was presented to us at XJT. Same with Endeavor.

To think otherwise is foolish.

 

Actually they were pressured by under cutting airlines like PSA, it is part of a bigger picture that you are too selfish to see. In the long run though you will see the errors of your way when management makes it painfully obvious that you have been played.

On the last conference call Richard Anderson essentially gloated how Pinnacle is going to become the new standard at Delta Connection. Doug Parker then decided to approach Eagle pilots with a new TA to trend towards Pinnacle. Eagle said no, so he went to PSA and did the same thing....you guys said yes.

Now Pinnacle isn't just an outlier anymore, but a trend...a trend YOU set by voting yes. I don't agree with Pinnacle's vote, but at least they were in bankruptcy. You guys weren't and had just got a brand new contract. You had a veiled threat of a shutdown when the leases ran out and the planes were scheduled to be returned. This was a couple of years after Eagle is scheduled to have all ERJs returned.

You erased years of hard negotiating work for a promise of 30 planes and 1 more preferential interview a month. Preferential interviews? Are you serious?!?! Eagle at least had guaranteed jobs at AA (even though the flow is messed up) an interview is an absolute joke like the rest of your TA. And those new aircraft are most likely not growth because your 500 pilot airline will not be able to hire fast enough to staff them. Even RAH with all of their new aircraft on order and the SJS inducing E-175 is having trouble keeping up with attrition. Their CEO said in their last conference call that they might have to park 50 seaters to keep the 70 and 76 seaters flying. PSA will be no different. The requirements to be a pilot have gone up by a factor of 3-5 shrinking the available supply. Apparently every PSA pilot missed economics 101: when demand outstrips supply, the price goes up. That doesn't mean you give concessions, especially when there are larger aircraft with more revenue generating potential being offered. More seats means more bodies to spread the costs out over. Keeping your same contract is a defacto concession since you are generating more revenue at the same costs. So again why did you take concessions again?

You said it "isn't that bad," well Doug Parker's stated goal was to get his regionals trending towards Pinnacle and only carriers that did that would get new airplanes. You got new airplanes and gave him exactly what he wanted.

You are also missing the big picture. You all assume that the salary caps will not affect you because you will all be gone before you hit them. That same thought process has been proven wrong over and over again through decades of this industry. What makes you think you will be different? All it takes is a recession or a mainline bankruptcy and all of the sudden that mainline ladder is pulled ever further from your grasp. You could very well end up being at PSA for 20 years.

 

Well said.

 

two statements im having trouble understanding. for FOs and junior Captains, will experience a quality of life INCREASE. With the way the deal is structured, pending another 9/11 or economic meltdown, we will see many upgrades and rapid movement. I can understand them wanting to gamble. do the math. Upgrading 2 years early out weighs any pay cap or getting stuck here, pending we aren't here for another 10 years. if so, then that's part of the gamble. but people we're willing to sell themselves short for potential big gains. get your PIC time and get out of here. And how exactly is it that we have been played? when the 30 airplanes start being delivered, that's the bulk of the new LOA. theres no work rules changes, no pay rate changes, nothing. so how have we been played? 70% of the company would have seen 0 QOL change if the LOA didn't go through....it was more of face a QOL and career increase, or, status quo and shutdown. you tell me.

Your other statement reveals the troll and ignorant disgruntled pilot you really are. We have guaranteed interviews, not preferential, and 48 guaranteed job offers a year. AND you can be an idiot, fail once, and reinterview. Hiring our pilots keeps us junior and cheap, and so far they have consistently exceeded their current hiring minimum. mainlines been open that even though we'll have trouble staffing they fully intend to keep hiring our pilots due to the good quality and easy trainability of our group.

 

Sellout: One who betrays a cause for personal advancement.

SJS: "Shiny Jet Syndrome", coined by an anonymous, but obsevant pilot.
An affliction wherein a (usually) young pilot is willing to go into massive debt to get training to get a flying job at starvation wages (often requiring living at parents home). Most sufferers get help at regional/commuter airlines, whose greedy bosses buy large numbers of small, cramped jets to accomodate them.
The military and major airlines don't usually have many SJS sfflictees as the entrance requirements are more stringent or applicants too jaded.


Now you should understand...

 

Pinnacle has rigs IIRC!

 

People mover…. your 180off from just a couple of months ago.