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02-13-2009 | 10:32 AM
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From: I AM NOT A KAPTAIN, i keep the right seat, nice and toasty
You just don't get it... the open time is not the issue, its a management decision and still reserves are available to fly twice as much at least! And the lines increased in CLT but went down in TYS and DAY thus leaving more available reserves to fly... Now we may not see reserves sent out of base to sit in a hotel... progress maybe, but you really need to let up on your rat comments you're not funny.
People who do not care how their actions affect others, and a pilot group as a whole are rats.
02-13-2009 | 10:40 AM
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From: CRJ, F.O.
Have you been flying open time when other guys are on the street? I don't think he's trying to be funny, I think he's calling those guys rats. I'm just reminded of the whole... they came to take away my neighbor because he was XX I didn't say anything because I wasn't XX... etc etc. So there's 70 something guys out of work so far, keep flying open time. The reserves that still have jobs won't fly enough, and how long do you think it will be before they say.. "you know what, these guys aren't flying either..... we could probably furlough them too"......
Good point and no, no open time i use my days to commute... But i really dont think that flying open time makes a big deal, management furloughed because they hired too many for the forcast attrition that NEVER HAPPENED, not for the reason that, people will just work extra... The open time was always being picked up before furloughs and is still being picked up or handed out as rsv assignments, since there isnt a whole lot in open time each month then it will NOT make a difference other than a reserve getting and extra few hours here and there... until they are flying over the 72 hours, management wont look at recalls UNFORTUNATELY. SEA' has a good point, the airplanes all sit once or twice a day or we haven been taking them to overnights at 8:30pm and flying them out in the a.m... pilots and airplanes are not being used to the full potential!!
I understand insano's point but he is obviously playing dumb and not looking at the big picture, educated or not on all this... there are more reasons, out of the pilot groups control, and its not our fault if he's gonna be a hater, but he's in for a rude return with that attitude
02-13-2009 | 10:41 AM
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Take a step back from the computer...
Picking up open time isn't going to bring anybody back any faster. It's a theory that ALPA subscribes to. Why? Maybe because ALPA is a business and that more members means more revenue. If you read the other posts you will find that the pilots on furlough today were only hired to replace people that were leaving. That never happened. When you have been flight instructing for 4 years then finally land a regional job and sit as an F/O for another 4, you might have a right to tell people what to do. The F/O's today would be captains if it wasn't for PSA Management holding the 70 people that wanted to go to mainline. Then they would be making a lot more money and you would have a job. The reserve pilots would be holding a line and making more money. But this didn't happen and people on reserve getting paid 72hrs with little per diem want to make some extra money pick up open time. They bring their monthly pay to say 80hrs. Still below the 90hrs that most line holders are flying.
March will be an interesting month because of our increase of flying. I dont' know about other pilots but i haven't been Junior Manned since July 07. As for a reserve getting JM'ed its great. You end up getting paid 1.5times your pay plus you get your day back usually that month. The only way you are going to get your job back at PSA is if we have attrition. Or mesa goes TU and we get more flying. Right now our airplane utilization is roughly 7hrs/day. 4 years ago it was 11. Go ahead blame it on Open time....
Picking up open time isn't going to bring anybody back any faster. It's a theory that ALPA subscribes to. Why? Maybe because ALPA is a business and that more members means more revenue. If you read the other posts you will find that the pilots on furlough today were only hired to replace people that were leaving. That never happened. When you have been flight instructing for 4 years then finally land a regional job and sit as an F/O for another 4, you might have a right to tell people what to do. The F/O's today would be captains if it wasn't for PSA Management holding the 70 people that wanted to go to mainline. Then they would be making a lot more money and you would have a job. The reserve pilots would be holding a line and making more money. But this didn't happen and people on reserve getting paid 72hrs with little per diem want to make some extra money pick up open time. They bring their monthly pay to say 80hrs. Still below the 90hrs that most line holders are flying.
March will be an interesting month because of our increase of flying. I dont' know about other pilots but i haven't been Junior Manned since July 07. As for a reserve getting JM'ed its great. You end up getting paid 1.5times your pay plus you get your day back usually that month. The only way you are going to get your job back at PSA is if we have attrition. Or mesa goes TU and we get more flying. Right now our airplane utilization is roughly 7hrs/day. 4 years ago it was 11. Go ahead blame it on Open time....
02-14-2009 | 12:12 PM
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To show to the rest of those who are not irrogant. TYS did not lose a line, DAY gained 1, CLT gained 8. Thus no bases had any reduction in lines. Now if you want to provide factual information, and or continue to burry yourself a grave by going onto forums and brag about picking up open time, how about you log into our ALPA forum we have with your name next to it and tell us the same thing. Fact of the matter is you are hiding behind a name online and would not dare come to our company site and say the same stuff. And an FYI, I cannot wait as many others of us who are on the street, to meet you in person and greet you. Thats a day I look forward to.
02-14-2009 | 05:59 PM
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I will never pick up open time, accept a junior man, or do the company a favor as long as we have brothers on the street. If they don't have enough people to cover, they need to recall furloughs. Simple as that. And if I know of someone that picks up open time for their own financial gain, I will make it a point to take a huge dump on them.
02-14-2009 | 06:37 PM
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I will never pick up open time, accept a junior man, or do the company a favor as long as we have brothers on the street. If they don't have enough people to cover, they need to recall furloughs. Simple as that. And if I know of someone that picks up open time for their own financial gain, I will make it a point to take a huge dump on them.
02-15-2009 | 08:03 AM
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I will never pick up open time, accept a junior man, or do the company a favor as long as we have brothers on the street. If they don't have enough people to cover, they need to recall furloughs. Simple as that. And if I know of someone that picks up open time for their own financial gain, I will make it a point to take a huge dump on them.
You might be able to get out of some Junior Mans but not all. It is in the contract that in some cases you get called out on your day off.
They can do it and its perfectly legal.
If you dispise open time/junior man so much then write a letter to T.K. with your name on it and let him know that you won't partake in the Junior Man portion of the contract. Let us know how that turns out.
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02-15-2009 | 08:12 AM
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You might be able to get out of some Junior Mans but not all. It is in the contract that in some cases you get called out on your day off.
It's in the contract. They can do it and its perfectly legal.
If you dispise open time so much then write a letter to T.K. with your name on it and let him know that you won't partake in the Junior Man portion of the contract. Let us know how that turns out.
It's in the contract. They can do it and its perfectly legal.
If you dispise open time so much then write a letter to T.K. with your name on it and let him know that you won't partake in the Junior Man portion of the contract. Let us know how that turns out.
02-15-2009 | 11:35 AM
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Can you explain to me the point of your passive aggressive comment? A) all you have to do to avoid Junior Manning is not answer the phone on your days off.... and B) Open time and Junior Manning aren't even the same thing... so what would be the point of writing a letter. Just trying to sort out your issue... Is it just that you really want to fly open time and feel good about it, or am I missing something?
As for feeling good about Open time i have tried to explain that it has no impact on bringing people back to PSA. All i get in return is that it is wrong and that people that pick up open time are rats. Without any kind of intelligent reason as to why it is wrong. My ears are open. (Eyes). If you can give me any kind of solid proof that not picking up open time will bring people back then bring it on.
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