You are the guy who answers his phone to get junior manned? They cannot get a hold of you if you are unable to answer the phone. What world do you live in? This is starting to sound like some people are in the running for the worlds best company man, stoolie, or TKs Boy wonder scout.



That argument has been beat to hell, and back a dozen times on here in the last year. At least half of which were about PSA.

Rats rationalize open time, and picking up the phone on their day off.

WHY WOULD YOU ANSWER the phone on your day off during a furlough? What do you think Debbie is calling you to ask if her voice sounds any better, or Carrie is going to be any less of a witch?

 

So why dont you two go on our in house site and brag about open time and what's wrong with it or right? Why we should pick up open time with furloughs etc..... See how your fellow pilots feel about it.

 

Alright... well you've tried to explain, let me try too. We can all agree that nobody is getting recalled until the reserves are flying close to guarentee/ flights cancel for lack of crews. Right? Ok. So how do reserves get their assignments? They get the trips that someone calls in sick for, doesn't connect to or otherwise doesn't have a pilot assigned to it. So open time, what happens to open time inside of 24 hours to the show? Well inside 24 hours they assign it to reserves, I'm sure you, just like me, when you were on reserve were capable of seeing what you MIGHT be flying the next day by checking open time. Now instead of letting it sit in open time, you (a line holder) pick it up. Now you fly it, does the reserve fly? No. And that's how picking up open time prevents recalls. Reserves don't get assignments, they stay under guarentee and there's no reason to recall. As for junior manning, I agree you have to answer while you're on duty and you can't avoid an acars message, but it was my understanding that PSA isn't in Junior Manning mode.... so that kinda a moot point isn't it.

 

Again, there is the Rat word without any backing.

BTW we have to call scheduling before and after each trip that is assigned. We also have to call them between 7 and 9 pm before our set of reserve days. I have yet to be junior manned while on reserve. As for the open time i am still waiting for your proof that it will bring back the furloughes. You know of more flying we are going to get? Cause that is what it is going to take.

As for the Unions position. They can't advocate not picking up open time because that is a work action and that my friend is illegal. So don't try get an Official answer from them. Off the record they may say that we shouldn't pick up open time. I have yet to read a reasonable explaination as to why or how it will help bring furloughes back.
When labor costs go up the company will bring back furloughes. So stop being a Rat and do your part to increase labor costs.

 

Wow you are educated after all. You understand some laws. But on a forum there is no public word from a union. However its an ALPA forum in which our pilots at PSA are on. So how about you take your CA status over there and see what your fellow pilots think of you and your stance? Instead you rather hide behind a screen name and speak as to why its ok. I find it funny, you are at a regional right now and think making 90 an hour on an open time trip is great? I'm glad you have your final sights in your career at PSA. Because the class you carry yourself with will not get you far with a major/legacy carrier. Nor would the pilots there care for a RAT on their staff.

 

Hey T, maybe Air Canada will call you once you get your Maple Leaf Endorsed ATPL, and you can stop picking up open time?

 

WHY WOULD YOU ANSWER the phone on your day off during a furlough? What do you think Debbie is calling you to ask if her voice sounds any better, or Carrie is going to be any less of a witch?


Hmmm Debbie....

The best part of Open Time is doing a 30min leg and getting paid 6 hrs for it. If that doesn't make T.K. look bad i don't know what does. Do your part, help out reserves and pick up open time. Make more $$$ and pay ALPA more. Put more money in your 401K so you can retire way before 65. That will help out all the pilots move up the ladder faster.

Picking up Open time helps Pilots get jobs.

 

1) We are all adults -- name calling and physical threats are not necessary.

2) We all want the same result: recall.

3) We have different ideas about how to get that result.

I really liked the way Blueskies broke it down, but seafeye has a point. It costs the company more than the guarantee they are already paying a reserve when somebody picks up opentime. What you (seafeye) don't factor in is the cost of canceled flights, paying other carriers for rerouting passengers, hotel expenses for 50-70 people, etc.

USAirways has strugggled to improve their image over the years. The success of running very lean depends on how much of a risk they are willing to take. Image, like trust, takes a very short time to ruin, and a very long time to restore.

 

I had a big long reply ready, but APC glitched and I'm not willing to retype it. I'll boil it down.

SeaFeye- It's hard to understand what it is to be unemployed without doing it yourself, I hope that you never have to trade places with one of the guys on furlough. I'd never been unemployed, and I didn't like it. Even worse now with the job prospects ever shrinking.
You think it's morally right to fly open time and I think it's morally wrong. I don't think we're going to agree. It's not cost neutral to the company 6 hours for you vs 72 for a reserve. Ditch the reserve and they just got a 64 hour discount and you helped them do it.

Deadstick35- We all agree management is out for cost savings, how long before they decide as you just said it's cheaper to pay 6 hours than 72 hours? Then another batch of guys hits the streets. If everyone stopped picking up open time, it would protect the guys on the bottom of the list now too. No open time flying, and maybe the bottom guys would be flying enough to get close to guarentee, not to mention maybe they'd get some per diem.

 

Exactly. People who don't understand how flying open time is hurting guys on furlough should read this!!!!!