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Old 02-12-2009 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by crj200jmwest
PSA has assigned me and the rest of us furloughed a leiason (spelling), I have resieved two phone cals from her...
News to me...the only think I heard from the company was a letter about calling in sick (I think) and the W2.

Or you can take a more active role, join the new MEC message board, and participate.
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Old 02-12-2009 | 08:59 PM
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Maybe with PSA now accepting resumes they are looking into the possibility that Mesa is going under and that we will need to pick up some of the flying. Positive thinking can't hurt. So make sure that PSA knows you want to return. Call, write, e-mail and fedex them to make sure they know that. And document it all. Mail gets lost every day. We want you back.
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Old 02-12-2009 | 09:00 PM
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Fact of the matter is according to our MEC Chair, call him if you please, they believe pilots would have been called back if it were not for our fellow pilots picking up open time, bending over backwards for crew scheduling, accepting JM, and extensions.... Until our pilot group grows a paid and tells the mgt team "NO" nothing will change.

I will say though, most RSV are flying more then they have been. We have 9 more lines this month. Thus that means 18 fewer pilots to sit reserve. More build ups will occur because of this as well. However at the days end it will be up to MGT to get us back. I've spoken with many of our MEC members and they are well aware and trying to get as much information as they can. However if MGT does not offer information they cannot pass anything along.

Wait and see is all I can say. Maybe some of our pilots still flying will stop stabbing us in the back and wont bend over for crew scheduling and mgt. Will finally say no to open time. But if that does not happen, dont expect things to change. Sorry just the fact of the matter. Our own worst enemy right now is not only mgt but our own fellow pilots whom are making the situation worst by their selfish actions.
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Old 02-13-2009 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Atwoo155
(excepting resumes)
How in the world did you even graduate High School? Let alone become a pilot? Rich parents
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Old 02-13-2009 | 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetcap37
How in the world did you even graduate High School? Let alone become a pilot? Rich parents
Looks like you have an extra question mark, and a letter L that does not need to be capitalized.

Sentence fragments are bad.



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Old 02-13-2009 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptKrunch
PSA was in the same boat last march and they were still hiring. I know guys that were on reserve last year this time who had to call in to get time. There were build up lines for LESS that guarantee. So the status of the reserves is not directly linked to recall or hiring. The point of a reserve pilot is to cover flying that becomes open due to sickness or other reasons not to have his own flying. However I do think that in PSA's current situation MGT will keep the guys on the street as long as possible to have a better place to negotiate the contract.
You are right, the point of reserve pilots is for coverage. At a properly run airline that is. This is PSA management we are talking about. Last year we were hiring due to attrition to mainline that never happened, leading to the situation you described. PSA does not use reserves for coverage like they should. Until all reserves are flying over guarantee and flights are getting cancelled, nothing will happen. Trust me I've seen it happen a few times here.

A few years ago we had the same number of airframes, more block hours and fewer pilots. You can do the math.

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Old 02-13-2009 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by meyers9163
Fact of the matter is according to our MEC Chair, call him if you please, they believe pilots would have been called back if it were not for our fellow pilots picking up open time, bending over backwards for crew scheduling, accepting JM, and extensions.... Until our pilot group grows a paid and tells the mgt team "NO" nothing will change.

I will say though, most RSV are flying more then they have been. We have 9 more lines this month. Thus that means 18 fewer pilots to sit reserve. More build ups will occur because of this as well. However at the days end it will be up to MGT to get us back. I've spoken with many of our MEC members and they are well aware and trying to get as much information as they can. However if MGT does not offer information they cannot pass anything along.

Wait and see is all I can say. Maybe some of our pilots still flying will stop stabbing us in the back and wont bend over for crew scheduling and mgt. Will finally say no to open time. But if that does not happen, dont expect things to change. Sorry just the fact of the matter. Our own worst enemy right now is not only mgt but our own fellow pilots whom are making the situation worst by their selfish actions.
Take a step back from the computer...

Picking up open time isn't going to bring anybody back any faster. It's a theory that ALPA subscribes to. Why? Maybe because ALPA is a business and that more members means more revenue. If you read the other posts you will find that the pilots on furlough today were only hired to replace people that were leaving. That never happened. When you have been flight instructing for 4 years then finally land a regional job and sit as an F/O for another 4, you might have a right to tell people what to do. The F/O's today would be captains if it wasn't for PSA Management holding the 70 people that wanted to go to mainline. Then they would be making a lot more money and you would have a job. The reserve pilots would be holding a line and making more money. But this didn't happen and people on reserve getting paid 72hrs with little per diem want to make some extra money pick up open time. They bring their monthly pay to say 80hrs. Still below the 90hrs that most line holders are flying.
March will be an interesting month because of our increase of flying. I dont' know about other pilots but i haven't been Junior Manned since July 07. As for a reserve getting JM'ed its great. You end up getting paid 1.5times your pay plus you get your day back usually that month. The only way you are going to get your job back at PSA is if we have attrition. Or mesa goes TU and we get more flying. Right now our airplane utilization is roughly 7hrs/day. 4 years ago it was 11. Go ahead blame it on Open time....
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Old 02-13-2009 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by seafeye
Take a step back from the computer...

Picking up open time isn't going to bring anybody back any faster. It's a theory that ALPA subscribes to. Why? Maybe because ALPA is a business and that more members means more revenue. If you read the other posts you will find that the pilots on furlough today were only hired to replace people that were leaving. That never happened. When you have been flight instructing for 4 years then finally land a regional job and sit as an F/O for another 4, you might have a right to tell people what to do. The F/O's today would be captains if it wasn't for PSA Management holding the 70 people that wanted to go to mainline. Then they would be making a lot more money and you would have a job. The reserve pilots would be holding a line and making more money. But this didn't happen and people on reserve getting paid 72hrs with little per diem want to make some extra money pick up open time. They bring their monthly pay to say 80hrs. Still below the 90hrs that most line holders are flying.
March will be an interesting month because of our increase of flying. I dont' know about other pilots but i haven't been Junior Manned since July 07. As for a reserve getting JM'ed its great. You end up getting paid 1.5times your pay plus you get your day back usually that month. The only way you are going to get your job back at PSA is if we have attrition. Or mesa goes TU and we get more flying. Right now our airplane utilization is roughly 7hrs/day. 4 years ago it was 11. Go ahead blame it on Open time....

You are mistaken on a few of your points. Some of the pilots who are on furlough from PSA were hired to replace J4Js. Some were hired to replace PSA pilots who were supposed to go to US Airways.

Are you on the new PSA ALPA board? There is a lot of data there.

By the way, only rats pick up open time.

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Old 02-13-2009 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CAPTAIN INSANO
You are mistaken on a few of your points. Some of the pilots who are on furlough from PSA were hired to replace J4Js. Some were hired to replace PSA pilots who were supposed to go to US Airways.

Are you on the new PSA ALPA board? There is a lot of data there.

By the way, only rats pick up open time.

You just don't get it... the open time is not the issue, its a management decision and still reserves are available to fly twice as much at least! And the lines increased in CLT but went down in TYS and DAY thus leaving more available reserves to fly... Now we may not see reserves sent out of base to sit in a hotel... progress maybe, but you really need to let up on your rat comments you're not funny.
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Old 02-13-2009 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by BankAngle09
You just don't get it... the open time is not the issue, its a management decision and still reserves are available to fly twice as much at least! And the lines increased in CLT but went down in TYS and DAY thus leaving more available reserves to fly... Now we may not see reserves sent out of base to sit in a hotel... progress maybe, but you really need to let up on your rat comments you're not funny.
Have you been flying open time when other guys are on the street? I don't think he's trying to be funny, I think he's calling those guys rats. I'm just reminded of the whole... they came to take away my neighbor because he was XX I didn't say anything because I wasn't XX... etc etc. So there's 70 something guys out of work so far, keep flying open time. The reserves that still have jobs won't fly enough, and how long do you think it will be before they say.. "you know what, these guys aren't flying either..... we could probably furlough them too"......
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