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Old 04-22-2012 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by theHub
Hopefully they just merge EAGLE/PDT/PSA via DOH and drop RAH/AWAC/MESA. Let us fly a fleet of 170/190 or CRJ 700/900/1000 and flow to mainline as our number comes up. Doubtful though.
The AWAC contract is up in a year or two, and US picked up SkyWest and replaced Mesa with them in PHX. Not trying to throw mud, I wish every pilot group prosperity. It would be nice though if the wholly owneds got a bit more flying.

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Old 04-22-2012 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Wingtips
this thing will take 3 years before it is even started on the fleet side. I think by then RJ feed will be something hard to maintain. I see little change coming, first thing you will see though is the AA guys giving up scope on 70 seat jets, and 100 of them going to Eagle. I would be very scared if I were in the bottom 1000 at AA.
Under this deal the bottom 1000 at AA have furlough protection. E-190 and above will go to mainline, so look for those to replace S-80's. E-175/CRJ-900 and below go to feeders. For every two of those, 1 new small narrowbody has to be added to mainline.

An order and deleveries will take time, the question would be does Parker NEED Eagle's EMB's and their financial drag or is that something he can do without. He's not committed to AE and needs to review the financials to determine AE's worth. The argument that some make on other forums that Eagle won't furlough due to pilot shortages and/or retraining costs for others is debunked by Pinnacles furlough. There will be no pilot shortage worse then now for a year or two as the regional industry shakes itself out like a dog with fleas. Some will furlough and others may need to hire, but Eagle will have no attrition from the top for quite a few years.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Under this deal the bottom 1000 at AA have furlough protection. E-190 and above will go to mainline, so look for those to replace S-80's. E-175/CRJ-900 and below go to feeders. For every two of those, 1 new small narrowbody has to be added to mainline.

An order and deleveries will take time, the question would be does Parker NEED Eagle's EMB's and their financial drag or is that something he can do without. He's not committed to AE and needs to review the financials to determine AE's worth. The argument that some make on other forums that Eagle won't furlough due to pilot shortages and/or retraining costs for others is debunked by Pinnacles furlough. There will be no pilot shortage worse then now for a year or two as the regional industry shakes itself out like a dog with fleas. Some will furlough and others may need to hire, but Eagle will have no attrition from the top for quite a few years.

I don't think the AA pilots will be or are in any position to make demands, their contracts will most likely be void by the bk judge. Your assumptions are that the restrictions would remain after Parker gets his wish. Don't think that is going to happen. But we can alway count on the top 10% selling out the bottom 10%.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by seafeye
I don't think the AA pilots will be or are in any position to make demands, their contracts will most likely be void by the bk judge. Your assumptions are that the restrictions would remain after Parker gets his wish. Don't think that is going to happen. But we can alway count on the top 10% selling out the bottom 10%.
The agreements with Parker have furlough protection. If Parker gains control, it would include the imposition of agreed terms and thus that protection should be there. AMR wants to void the contracts and there, who knows what they'd impose or try to down the road.

Sounds like over at Eagle, you've got a middle .002% selling out everyone else.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Eagle will have no attrition from the top for quite a few years.
but i bet we do have attrition from the middle ranks as younger captains bail for places like FedEx, Jetblue, Spirit, etc.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 06:53 PM
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oh thank god.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by flysooner9
but i bet we do have attrition from the middle ranks as younger captains bail for places like FedEx, Jetblue, Spirit, etc.
Some, but I'd not expect a mass exodus and competition will be keen and qualified applicants plentiful.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Some, but I'd not expect a mass exodus and competition will be keen and qualified applicants plentiful.
yes and no, if you look at 3-5 year numbers, some serious movement is about to happen. The 1500 hour rule and ft/dt will make regional pilots a tough market, particularly since an entire contract would have to be changed to up the first year pay (see rah). Eagle also has an ASA that would stay in effect during a merger, so you will see that continue till 2015. After 2015 we shall see, but at that point, I think mainlines will just use whatever regional has the staffing to fly the planes they want. AE now and honestly even Pinnacle are clear examples that everyone is very reluctant to lose a single pilot. Both could furlough mass numbers fast, but are doing it VERY slowly, and mostly just making it a threat.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 07:57 PM
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True wingtips.
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Old 04-22-2012 | 08:02 PM
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This is a simple equation really...The lift will go to the cheapest contract and the two losers get a new brand being merged into the one...It's probably gonna be PDT under an imposed total crap CBA.
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