C-17 guy? Just getting some time to get to the Majors? Yeah. Keep in mind a lot of Major recruiters will scrutinize someone that goes to a regional who bit off a concessionary contract when the other regionals are busy holding the line. One major airline recruiter told me this EXACTLY.

Why not go somewhere that pays better to start anyway, and has a better link to its major? Eaglevoy offers guaranteed interviews after 2 years and 2000 hours - still better than PSA with their dribble of USair interviews. I think Compass has deals like that as well, and they pay better, and have a much better contract.

After a year or less you will be off to a major anyway, so why not pick a regional that doesn't have such a bad reputation right now AND help better the industry? I know you are new to this most likely, being a military guy, but the industry has the best hand it has had in some time. However, management is still beating us all up to fly bigger planes for even less money.
Just had an FO who was a C-5 guard guy. He had 2000TT and around 500 PIC. USair would not even look at him. After 10 months and 500 hours at a regional, he has an interview, which I am sure he will do fine at.

 

Curious, Job guy - What are you telling a potential new hire upgrade time for THEM will be if they hired on today? What can they expect?

Okay, I think you know what I am getting at: I have heard rumors of PSA and another airline with shiny new airplanes, <cough> MESA <cough>, telling applicants to expect an 18 month upgrade. While that may stand true for the "luckiest", have you not already passed the "sweet spot"? What are you at. 700 pilots now? Up from 500 originally? If you are getting 30 airplanes, at a rate of 13 pilots per plane (Being "117 generous here), you need 200 or so more right? So you need 200 more to hit the magic 900 number. Half are Captains pretty much, or the 1st 450 or so on the list. Your pilots have been all over this board saying attrition is extremely low at PSA. You get 4 pilots per month hired at USAir, or 48 pilots per year. Let's double that and say attrition is a nice round 100 pilots per year. So if I get hired today, mr piloto number 701!, I am going to be around 2 years from upgrade. You say you are running 40-50 through per month. So at that rate you will be all staffed up in 4 months! Hell if I waited a month a was piloto 801, I would be looking at a little over 3 years.

By the time you hire your last guy gets hired in September, who I am guessing did not do well in 5th grade math, mr piloto 900 will have to wait 4.5 years. That is not a horrible upgrade time, as long as the music keeps playing. So far history has proven it does not take much to stop it. Then you are stuck at an airline with a payscale and contract that your pilots on here like to say "Hey we are better than MESA!". That should be your new slogan! HEY! WE PAY BETTER THAN MESA!

 

You are really advocating someone going to eagle right now? Compass is fine but cmon....

I would advise you to fully read our contract before you tell people that everyone else's is better.

I'm sure you won't though because you already heard it was really really bad on a forum.

Absolutely no way going to PSA would negatively affect him at a major. Guys have left from PSA to go to pretty much every major.

As far as the starting pay. Guys are holding lines right out of training at PSA. Holding a line means SAP and critical pay. First year guys here are going to do very well compared to pretty much every other carrier first year.

 

What part please. I'm really curious, or are you just saying anything that helps your point?

 

Bull.... You are absolutely pulling bs tonight. Give me the airline? You can't!

 

I wouldn't advise my worst enemy to go to Envoy right now, if they needed to stay long enough to upgrade. This guy needs a year at best and has his sights set on a major. But yeah, Compass would be a much better pick I agree.

Okay it is all relative. First year guys RIGHT NOW, are holding a line. I have seen plenty of big hiring waves over my years at a regional. They like to say how great it is RIGHT NOW, when you would only enjoy it if you were there RIGHT NOW. A guy hired in September will be on reserve a little longer.

How many of your pilots are on reserve? The going rate with 117 is pushing into 20% right? It's a nice round number let's use that: So numero 900 is 180 pilots away from getting off reserve. Using the estimate of 100 pilots attrition per year - Well 1.8 years of reserve! But hey, first year pilots RIGHT NOW are getting lines right off the bat! Haha <----That is the sad laugh numero 900 will have once he realizes he has been duped.

I have actually read your contract, and quite a few others. It is light reading for someone in my position. Don't blow farts. It is no where near industry leading. And of course, your pay, to fly large RJs, is, well, sad.

 

They are the best Major out there right now. Financially speaking. There are A LOT of people there that know the type of people that hosed a lot of them in a previous whipsaw.

 

We have guys getting hired at many different airlines. I'm not a big fan of our contract either but telling someone if they go to PSA they won't be getting hired by the majors is the future is false.

 

Yes it is. And I did not say that. I did say that at least one airline recruiter has told me it does receive scrutiny though.

Why are we focusing on this? It is the one thing I said in 3 threads that is arguable? That and the fact I was somewhat ambiguous about what specific parts of your contract suck? Fine I will go there as well shortly.

However, what about all you guys stating how well people at PSA RIGHT NOW are doing to imply that a guy hired just a few months from now would do the same? People need to hear this. I care about that the most. Fine. Go to PSA and feed to the race to the bottom. Don't believe me that going there gives you certain looks from Majors. Yeah I am cool with that. However, don't dupe some poor unsuspecting math dropout into thinking they will be upgrading in less than 2 years and never sit a day of reserve just because the current new hires are not. This is always what happens when an airline is doing quick growth - People don't do the math.

The 2014 PSA Shiny Jet Rush is passed the sweet spot! Am I wrong? Tell me I am wrong. I can take it.

 

Again you're full of it..... Both UAL/DAL have hired plenty of guys from Endeavor, Gojets, etc. I know many from both at Fedex and Hawaiian.... So again which one are you talking about? You know what most people haven't a clue who Gojets or PSA are at this level.... You clearly are grasping at straws bud.... Yet you were clearly afraid to list a name of one airline speaks for itse.