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Old 02-09-2015 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by pagey
Is there public evidence of Eagle being told the same?

From the Dallas Morning News:

“The company indicated to us that, without what they consider to be a cost-competitive agreement, they will place the aircraft with a competing carrier and we would become ‘Comair II,’” wrote Sprague, chairman of ALPA’s Master Executive Council at American Eagle.

Union: American Eagle pilots receive new contract proposal, warning from management | Dallas Morning News
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Old 02-09-2015 | 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by BrewCity
From the Dallas Morning News:

“The company indicated to us that, without what they consider to be a cost-competitive agreement, they will place the aircraft with a competing carrier and we would become ‘Comair II,’” wrote Sprague, chairman of ALPA’s Master Executive Council at American Eagle.

Union: American Eagle pilots receive new contract proposal, warning from management | Dallas Morning News
So your union told a newspaper?

And that somehow makes the threat more credible than our union just telling us instead of running to the Dayton gazette?
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Old 02-09-2015 | 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by pagey
Is there public evidence of Eagle being told the same?

Our negotiators, along with the ALPA attorney, were told such during the talks leading to our vote.
Ha, please...you are absolutely pathetic and also really really dumb. Eagle has been actively shrinking since the day we stood up for no pay-cuts in a time of record profit. PSA, however, rolled over the second an empty threat was made (behind closed doors no less.) Are you seriously not getting this?

Go back to your circle-jerk, because that's pretty much what your pilot group is doing. The entire industry looks down upon you except yourselves.
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Old 02-09-2015 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
Ha, please...you are absolutely pathetic and also really really dumb. Eagle has been actively shrinking since the day we stood up for no pay-cuts in a time of record profit. PSA, however, rolled over the second an empty threat was made (behind closed doors no less.) Are you seriously not getting this?

Go back to your circle-jerk, because that's pretty much what your pilot group is doing. The entire industry looks down upon you except yourselves.
As a former envoy guy, no one seriously views PSA in a bad light except the most militant "NO" envoy and XJT guys. This is just a job, try not to get so bent out of shape about it.
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Old 02-09-2015 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sublime259
Ha, please...you are absolutely pathetic and also really really dumb. Eagle has been actively shrinking since the day we stood up for no pay-cuts in a time of record profit. PSA, however, rolled over the second an empty threat was made (behind closed doors no less.) Are you seriously not getting this?
Oh, I see now.

1. Envoy threat is real, PSA threat is fake. Ok.

2. We can only be considered true, loyal pilots, after we vote no 2-3 times. Only then are we allowed to take a concessionery contract that is justified.

Well, you learn something new every day.
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Old 02-09-2015 | 08:27 AM
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Actually PSA said no to 900s twice before 2013 and those ended up at Mesa and the others were converted to 175s and went to Republic.
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Old 02-09-2015 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
As a former envoy guy, no one seriously views PSA in a bad light except the most militant "NO" envoy and XJT guys. This is just a job, try not to get so bent out of shape about it.
Preach my brotha!

What's happened has happened and crying can't change a thing so everyone move on and instead of fighting and being frustrated which gets you no where just learn to be happy with whatever you have because trust me we are all making out better than millions of other people out there. Unfortunately I feel like most pilots forget or are ignorant to this. It's a shame.
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Old 02-09-2015 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunkin
Actually PSA said no to 900s twice before 2013 and those ended up at Mesa and the others were converted to 175s and went to Republic.
Don't bring facts to an emotional argument.
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Old 02-09-2015 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dunkin
Actually PSA said no to 900s twice before 2013 and those ended up at Mesa and the others were converted to 175s and went to Republic.
^^^^ This. ^^^^ This actually happened, junior. But y'all don't need to concern yourselves with fact or history.

If PSA had voted no, they were history. Parker wouldn't have given PSA 3 chances,.... and a bribe.
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Old 02-09-2015 | 12:26 PM
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Hi everyone. I'm considering leaving PSA and was wondering what my chances of getting hired at Envoy are?? It seems like such a great place to work and I really want to fly a 175. And if I do get to fly a 175 does that mean I can park at the big boy gates instead of those lowly express ramp gates? Any information you have would be very helpful. Thank you.
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