I'm pretty sure you cant legally start any portion of a checkride until all experience requirements have been met, which is why most airlines put the oral off until after the requirements are met in sims for those lacking the multi time. May have been an oversight by the company that let it happen, which could/would invalidate your atp/type if it somehow got investigated and found. I'm no fsdo or APD though so maybe I'm wrong, but I'd be hella careful with that stuff.

 

Yeah reserve pilots do a lot of Deadheading. It's pretty annoying. Not sure how it is at other regionals.


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If that's the case, then I'd be more than willing to redo any portion of my checkride at any time. They openly advertise it on their hiring website that in order to apply, and be eligible for training, you must have such and such experience, including a minimum of 25 hours, which is short of the 50 hours--- of required multi-engine time that will be accounted for in sim training.

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Yeah I was in the same boat when I started at Mesa with less than 50 hrs of multi. Most regionals will take a min of 25 for this reason. But everyone With less than 50 did their orals after sims for this reason. Its a dumb requirement, but a requirement (I think) nonetheless.

 

The regs allow crediting of full flight simulator (FFS) time for certain aeronautical experience requirements. For example, you may credit up to 25 hours of FFS time to meet the experience requirement of 50 hours of multi engine time, hence the minimum of 25 hours of "real" multi engine time. There are several other areas where you may credit sim or FTD time (I don't have the regs in front of me). Our FSDO allows us to do the oral knowing that an applicant will receive at least 25 hours of FFS time prior to the sim checkride whenever your ATP will be issued.

 

Its like that everywhere. My record is 3 deadheads in a row.

 

Amen, I got used to being crammed in the back of a 200 at my last job...so comfortable being 6'2" 215lbs.

 

Yeah I'm familiar with the 25 hours of sim credit...read my last two posts. I used sim credit myself in my initial/atp/type ride. And took my oral after sims, as did several people in my class, while the rest did it prior to sims. I am interested to see a written LOA/MOU authorizing a carrier to allow orals prior to all requirements being met. This begs the question why most carriers require the sims prior to the oral for those who don't have the multi time to ensure compliance with all experience requirements. Why would one carrier be allowed to and others not? Doesn't make sense. Maybe Oklahoma City can provide a legal interpretation. We are talking about CFRs, not company policy here.

I would think the company has a vested interest in doing the oral first. If you bust the oral, but you haven't had sims, it's easy to let someone go. If they've invested all the money in the sims already, then what...retrain and give them another shot? I don't know I don't work in the training department but that's my take. I find it suspect the man allows it for one carrier but not another.

 

I was thinking, IACRA wouldn't allow the forms required to administer the checkride to be digitally signed unless you put that you meet the minimums.

 

I see where you're coming from. One thing about the FAA is that each FSDO may have a different interpretation of the regs. Unless OKC says they must do things a certain way, the FSDO (POI, APM, etc.) is who the airlines answer to unless OKC tells them otherwise. As an APD, my greatest frustration is when OKC changes what they want at a moments notice and sometimes these changes are contrary to what the regs say (particularly regarding the Restricted ATP). Of course, the materials they give us examiners is outdated when they make said changes.

PSA gives everyone multiple attempts at passing the oral/sim checkride, regardless of whether the oral is attempted before or after the sim.