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Old 10-27-2014 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DenverPilot8
How solid is the agreement that all of those 700s are coming to PSA? In their growth calendar all of those are listed as "possible". People could go there for the upgrade and not have it happen because those actually stay with Envoy.
There was no agreement. AAG can do whatever they want with them as it's their aircraft. Probably use the 700s and Miami base closure as bargaining chips against Envoy.

I came to PSA in feb 2008 expecting 2 year upgrade. Took me 6.5. You roll the dice, sometimes you win but many times you crap out.
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Old 10-27-2014 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by penaltybox
I got the email about a week later. What class dates are they filling now?
They were filling the Dec. 22nd and Jan 5th classes
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Old 10-27-2014 | 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
I'm really tired of ignorant people throwing out this worthless argument. It's pretty pointless and not ever going to happen.
You're young and naive.

Turboprops with more than 19 seats were never going to be flown by the regionals... Let alone jets.

Now airliners are being flown for pennies. So you say never going to happen???
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Old 10-27-2014 | 11:48 AM
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Old 10-27-2014 | 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by thefoxsays
You're young and naive.

Turboprops with more than 19 seats were never going to be flown by the regionals... Let alone jets.

Now airliners are being flown for pennies. So you say never going to happen???
Who let that happen by the way? And what regional pilot wants to be at a regional for more than 5 years?
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Old 10-27-2014 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by thefoxsays
You're young and naive.

Turboprops with more than 19 seats were never going to be flown by the regionals... Let alone jets.

Now airliners are being flown for pennies. So you say never going to happen???
First off, you have no idea how old I am.

Second, I think it's been well established that the pilot groups at the Legacy carriers are well versed on scope, and what giving it up does to the industry. Go read some of the recent threads about the APA if you don't believe me.

Lastly, so long as the legacy pilot groups don't sign away scope, Anderson, Parker, and Smisek have no way of transferring aircraft off their certificates and hunting for a cheaper labor pool.

So, tell me again how were going to see regional carriers flying around Boeing and Airbus products?

What very few hard liners at the regionals never seem to remember is that there isn't a regional carrier in this country that owns it's own flying, and that makes all the difference.
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Old 10-27-2014 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
First off, you have no idea how old I am.

Second, I think it's been well established that the pilot groups at the Legacy carriers are well versed on scope, and what giving it up does to the industry. Go read some of the recent threads about the APA if you don't believe me.

Lastly, so long as the legacy pilot groups don't sign away scope, Anderson, Parker, and Smisek have no way of transferring aircraft off their certificates and hunting for a cheaper labor pool.

So, tell me again how were going to see regional carriers flying around Boeing and Airbus products?

What very few hard liners at the regionals never seem to remember is that there isn't a regional carrier in this country that owns it's own flying, and that makes all the difference.
You're wrong!! ACA tried and so did republic! We will one day see a regional that owns its own flying!! #bestplacetoworkfor
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Old 10-27-2014 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by skyxbomb
You're wrong!! ACA tried and so did republic! We will one day see a regional that owns its own flying!! #bestplacetoworkfor
While we're at it, let's not forget:

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Old 10-27-2014 | 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by skyxbomb
You're wrong!! ACA tried and so did republic! We will one day see a regional that owns its own flying!! #bestplacetoworkfor
My prediction is that major airlines will one day simply sell tickets and own the branding. All other services, including the flying of large jets, will be bid out just like the regional airlines of today bid. If you are a business, its a great model to have multiple carriers bid for the same flying.

Further, I predict that by 2020 some type of model will exist where 65% of flying is farmed out to what we call "regional airlines" today.
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Old 10-27-2014 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
My prediction is that major airlines will one day simply sell tickets and own the branding. All other services, including the flying of large jets, will be bid out just like the regional airlines of today bid. If you are a business, its a great model to have multiple carriers bid for the same flying.

Further, I predict that by 2020 some type of model will exist where 65% of flying is farmed out to what we call "regional airlines" today.
Yea keep giving away scope and we will see MRJs and C series at the regionals and it will be a real career ender where captains will top out at 130k and FOs top out at 70k. The current regional model will go away. It'll be the new low cost carrier and majors will only fly heavies and mostly international where the bulk of their revenue is generated from.

I called it first!
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