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Old 09-11-2015 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
Somehow the entire American Eagle brand depends on Aspen
You would think so the way these raving loons keep talking about it.
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Old 09-11-2015 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
You would think so the way these raving loons keep talking about it.
Come on guys!!! Please shred the argument in my first paragraph too!!! Just calling me wrong doesn't really make you guys more believable.
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Old 09-11-2015 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AutoPirateOn
Come on guys!!! Please shred the argument in my first paragraph too!!! Just calling me wrong doesn't really make you guys more believable.
What argument were you trying to make in your first paragraph? You were spewing wild speculation based on nothing. And no one is calling you wrong. You and a few of your cohorts sound like a broken record on this forum. You have become trolls. You don't find us frequenting your threads and pointing out how all of your "projections" and all of your promises have the very real potential to not come true. Just the same as ours don't. But that's the nature of this nasty industry isn't it? No one knows what's going to happen 2 weeks, let alone 2 years from now. Our tiny airline of about 500 pilots took modest concessions in exchange for massive growth and movement. And everyone touted PSA as the airline that gave in despite "pilots having the upper hand". Yet there are airlines today signing better contracts, and paying pilots a lot more money despite little ole PSA's decision. Your pilot group was literally 4x the size of PSA when it took massive concessions. Yet somehow you guys/gals were the messiahs of the regional airline industry crucified on the cross that PSA built. Or so your continuous drivel on these forums would lead people to believe. You made your decision, live with it. Move on from it. Quit blaming others for your decisions.
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Old 09-12-2015 | 06:02 AM
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FO attrition is really picking up. I counted 24 total pilots leaving on the latest list (mostly FOs). The company has to increase first year pay and offer better work rules for everyone if they want to retain FOs. $24/hr first year pay is not going to cut it. I better min day/rig, 100% deadhead and better premium pay would only bring us up to the average. Junior FOs know the SSP means nothing to anyone below #450 on the list. I've flown with a large number of junior FOs recently that are talking about a lateral move. Some want to leave for Piedmont, others skywest and Compass, etc.
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Old 09-12-2015 | 06:17 AM
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,.... and a broken S.A.P. and D.E.C.s have not helped.

Seriously, unless an F.O. happens to live within driving distance of a PSA base, (DAY, TYS, or CLT) or is a couple months from upgrade, I don't see why any of them would not be considering a lateral move.
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Old 09-12-2015 | 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FirstClass
Somehow the entire American Eagle brand depends on Aspen
The American Eagle "brand"......

What a sad turn of events.
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Old 09-12-2015 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
What argument were you trying to make in your first paragraph? You were spewing wild speculation based on nothing. And no one is calling you wrong. You and a few of your cohorts sound like a broken record on this forum. You have become trolls. You don't find us frequenting your threads and pointing out how all of your "projections" and all of your promises have the very real potential to not come true. Just the same as ours don't. But that's the nature of this nasty industry isn't it? No one knows what's going to happen 2 weeks, let alone 2 years from now. Our tiny airline of about 500 pilots took modest concessions in exchange for massive growth and movement. And everyone touted PSA as the airline that gave in despite "pilots having the upper hand". Yet there are airlines today signing better contracts, and paying pilots a lot more money despite little ole PSA's decision. Your pilot group was literally 4x the size of PSA when it took massive concessions. Yet somehow you guys/gals were the messiahs of the regional airline industry crucified on the cross that PSA built. Or so your continuous drivel on these forums would lead people to believe. You made your decision, live with it. Move on from it. Quit blaming others for your decisions.
You guys keep saying to drop it but you keep trying to justify it. If you want it dropped shut up.
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Old 09-12-2015 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ex lurker
The American Eagle "brand"......

What a sad turn of events.
Well if American hadn't been purchased and bailed out it would have been much more sad for the original Eagle.
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Old 09-12-2015 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Lvlng4Spd
Well if American hadn't been purchased and bailed out it would have been much more sad for the original Eagle.
Negative, we were better off with AMR. No PSA flying AE, we would still had our BK contract and 60 E-175.

There was only about 4 total companies flying AE color, not 11.
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Old 09-12-2015 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Negative, we were better off with AMR. No PSA flying AE, we would still had our BK contract and 60 E-175.

There was only about 4 total companies flying AE color, not 11.
Guess it's too bad so sad now then. Don't dwell on what you can't control.
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