I love reading about how you guys want more, yet sold yourselves out and accepted less. There's a reason you're all the laughing stock of the industry and this is it. Anybody there post-vote should have done their homework and as such I have zero sympathy for them. Good luck getting anything more from AAG, you don't deserve it.

 

Yea that's not even close to what actually happened.

 

Was voting in a crap sandwich and whining about it later your MEC's official strategy or is it just yours?

 

So American wasn't in bankruptcy and in a bad way? Tell me more zippy...

 

Bankruptcy yes, purchased and bailed out by USAIR no.

They had 5 billion in the bank and financed their own way through it.
It was pretty much a sham unlike the previous USAIR bankruptcies which were real.

 

Or maybe, just maybe, we've got a lot more leverage as the pilot group tripled in size. In any event, that conversation hasn't started yet.

 

Laughing stock? Your a$$ got owned like 4 times in a row, you screwed all 4 of them up. The only laughing stock is you, pretending like you were going to hold out for something special. Now look at your sorry a$$es.

 

Exactly! This is what I would like ChrisReedRules to discuss. PSA sold themselves out, believed management's claim that everything would be flowers & roses if they voted in this contract, and now they would like AAG to fix their problems after everything ISN'T flowers & roses. (See my first post about how Doug has PSA right where he wants them, a low cost contract, broken SAP that's hurting QOL & pay, 20+ years for a new hire to interview at AA, etc.) So tell me PSA guys, why should you expect to get any sympathy/help from AAG and other pilot groups about your self inflicted wounds?

 

A lot of the people who came here post vote are now Captains. I don't think they need your sympathy.

I don't think anyone here is asking for sympathy from anyone, least of all AAG.

The thing you're failing to realize is that the conditions that existed in the industry in December of 2013 when the LOAs were voted in are pretty different than what exists now. It is entirely plausible that a No vote at PSA in 2013 sees a vastly shrinking PSA, and lots of airplane going to other carriers that already pay substantially less than PSA. Exhibit A: the transfer of 47 aircraft, a number nearly equal to the fleet at PSA pre vote.

Now, nearly two years later, pilots are in much higher demand, and $40/hour first year pay has already been turned down at another carrier. There's much more hiring at the Legacies and LCCs, and PSA now has 1,200 pilots on the seniority list, a number nearly triple to the pre vote number. Our leverage is much higher than it was then, because it's that much harder to move the pilots around, and there just aren't that many more of them out there.

Bottom line: If AAG wants to staff PSA at 150+ airplanes, if they want to hire another 1,000 pilots in 24 months, we don't have to ask for a darn thing, because the market forces in play now (again, very different than late 2013) will dictate that that will be very hard to do should the contract conditions at PSA stay the same. You're right to point out $25/hour first year pay, or 4 per month SSP, because prospective new hires will (or should) do the same. And if AAG refuses to wrap their head around that set of facts it'll be their problem, not ours.

 

I couldn't find it, where is it at?