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Old 10-12-2015 | 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
Management has the employees convinced that if they don't vote yes, they will never see an increase to American. The truth is pretty clear with this advertisement. PSA management needs this TA to pass in order to attract new hires.

If pilots vote no, they will have to come back with an increase in flow to 8-10 a month and direct flow. It has to happen in order to attract new hires.

Everyone in the industry seems to know this, except PSA pilots.
Only the first 500 pilots on the seniority list care about flow. Ask pilot number 1200 if he gives a sh*t, he doesn't. He is here for the DEC or quick upgrade that's it. Even at 20 flows per month pilot 1200 is 5 years out. Nobody is waiting around 5 years to do anything.

Nobody here cares that much. Everybody here knows they will be back.
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Old 10-12-2015 | 09:59 AM
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I'm in the 300s and I don't give a damn about flow. My NO vote has been cast. I'd go from 5 years to 3. Big whoop. I don't plan on being here in 3 years anyway. Many of my similar seniority colleges feel the same way and are voting accordingly. We can do better. The company will be back as they want, they need that carrot to keep tricking people to come through the door.
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Old 10-12-2015 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramprat
I'm in the 300s and I don't give a damn about flow. My NO vote has been cast. I'd go from 5 years to 3. Big whoop. I don't plan on being here in 3 years anyway. Many of my similar seniority colleges feel the same way and are voting accordingly. We can do better. The company will be back as they want, they need that carrot to keep tricking people to come through the door.
When will all the voting be over and confirmed?
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Old 10-12-2015 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
Thanks for the when but the where is still unanswered.
AWAC got approved for a CTP course to be held in CLT several months back.

I wonder if they are just piggy backing off them, or setting up a whole new deal.
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Old 10-12-2015 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by FlexNinja
When will all the voting be over and confirmed?
October 20th is our closing. I just want it to be bored down so we can clear up some language issues that affect the day to day lives of us. If they want to increase the flow a bit then cool. But the grey areas or more like fluorescent orange to people that read all 19 pages.
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Old 10-12-2015 | 10:23 AM
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I love the talk of fixing LOA 6. "A pilot who wants to fly should be able to fly." Sure kick me off my 20 hour trip because you, the company, need my spot to accomplish training. Then tell me I'm more than able to pick up low time crap and lose my pay protection cause I "traded." Or you could just offer to buy us off a displacement or give us additional flying while pay protected. It's in the "mid-trip" language. Why not make it just the displacement language?

I'm not privy to any special knowledge just reading between the lines and assuming the worst.
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Old 10-12-2015 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by FlexNinja
AWAC got approved for a CTP course to be held in CLT several months back.

I wonder if they are just piggy backing off them, or setting up a whole new deal.
Wouldn't be surprised. This company can't start anything new on their own or innovate in any way.
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Old 10-12-2015 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
Wouldn't be surprised. This company can't start anything new on their own or innovate in any way.
How long have you been at PSA?
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Old 10-12-2015 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptLucky
How long have you been at PSA?
Long enough to know they're pi$$ing away their gains. We're stuck chasing the other WO companies and still not coming close to what they have. Our one trick pony of fast upgrade is over. We are 80-90% staffed for our 150 a/c. New hires will not upgrade in a year. We did what we had to do to get the growth and have been riding that. They were behind on hiring to take advantage of the growth. They couldn't get the training dept staffed to handle the growth. They can't figure out how to get bodies here after the growth is done so they are doing a pathetic job of copying others. They're resorting to advertising a TA that hasn't even been voted on to sucker bodies.

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Old 10-12-2015 | 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
Long enough to know they're pi$$ing away their gains. We're stuck chasing the other WO companies and still not coming close to what they have. Our one trick pony of fast upgrade is over. We are 80-90% staffed for our 150 a/c. New hires will not upgrade in a year. We did what we had to do to get the growth and have been riding that. They were behind on hiring to take advantage of the growth. They couldn't get the training dept staffed to handle the growth. They can't figure out how to get bodies here after the growth is done so they are doing a pathetic job of copying others. They're resorting to advertising a TA that hasn't even been voted on to sucker bodies.
Who cares. There is no reason for PSA to change anything right now. Once the pilot recruitment dries up, then there may be a reason to make changes. Until then, who cares. Put your time in and move on. Tell me a few other places where is better to be right now.
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