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10-14-2015 | 04:22 AM
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Copying (poorly) others flow. Offering in base hotels(outside the contract). What original idea has PSA come up with? Next will be bonuses? Higher DH pay? We are behind in a lot of areas and they aren't bothering trying to be close to catching up. They are piecemealing out scraps hoping it's enough.
They WANT 1000 pilots to keep the machine greased. We have 1300 pilots. We need 1500-1600 to staff 150 aircraft. We NEED 200-300 more to staff. Sure we'll need more to cover attrition but 700? If attrition is that high, it's because people are going somewhere else not because this place is such an amazing career maker.
They WANT 1000 pilots to keep the machine greased. We have 1300 pilots. We need 1500-1600 to staff 150 aircraft. We NEED 200-300 more to staff. Sure we'll need more to cover attrition but 700? If attrition is that high, it's because people are going somewhere else not because this place is such an amazing career maker.
I think the company numbers are right.
Companies are run to make money. They don't spend money unless they have to. They will make changes when they have to. We are here for the company. The company is not here so you can fly an airplane.
10-14-2015 | 06:15 AM
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I predict the company tries to negotiate a first year pay raise or starts giving out bonuses starting this spring/summer. There is no way they will be able to staff based on current conditions. With this flow passing, it will still take a new hire 12+ years to get to American. The word will get out and the flow will not help with attracting new hires.
10-14-2015 | 06:38 AM
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I predict the company tries to negotiate a first year pay raise or starts giving out bonuses starting this spring/summer. There is no way they will be able to staff based on current conditions. With this flow passing, it will still take a new hire 12+ years to get to American. The word will get out and the flow will not help with attracting new hires.
10-14-2015 | 07:13 AM
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No. I'm voting "no" because I think that movement will be the same either way AND because I think Dougie and Dion are willing to give us more,...... so that THEY can get more.
10-14-2015 | 07:29 AM
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The NC told us very explicitly that the company is NOT willing to give us more as far as flow is concerned. Do you think they are lying?
If the company feels they need to improve other aspects they will. Their stance at this time is that fast upgrades and low reserve time will solve any staffing issues.
Voting no will change none of this.
10-14-2015 | 07:39 AM
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The NC told us very explicitly that the company is NOT willing to give us more as far as flow is concerned. Do you think they are lying?
If the company feels they need to improve other aspects they will. Their stance at this time is that fast upgrades and low reserve time will solve any staffing issues.
Voting no will change none of this.
If the company feels they need to improve other aspects they will. Their stance at this time is that fast upgrades and low reserve time will solve any staffing issues.
Voting no will change none of this.
You got that right..
10-14-2015 | 08:05 AM
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That's exactly my point! If we vote down the TA,......... they'll need to improve the deal!
Management wants this deal as much, (if not more than ) we do! Otherwise they would not have offered it. Remember, ....... we already HAD a contract! Management was under no obligation to offer improvements to that contract. All they were required to do was to TALK about increasing the SSP. That's all! Yet management recognizes the need to make PSA more appealing to new hire pilots. Not only has management offered to double the SSP and make it a flow, they have offered other sweeteners which were not required (or even mentioned) under the existing contract! Why? Because Dougie and Dion are nice guys??
Management NEEDS a better deal as much as the pilots WANT a better deal.
10-14-2015 | 08:15 AM
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The company went from 1 additional flow/month to "incrementally up to 8 flows per month" without us even having a vote. So while I wouldn't say they're "lying", I would point out that the industry is in a rapid state of flux,........ and management recognizes this flux.
That's exactly my point! If we vote down the TA,......... they'll need to improve the deal!
Management wants this deal as much, (if not more than ) we do! Otherwise they would not have offered it. Remember, ....... we already HAD a contract! Management was under no obligation to offer improvements to that contract. All they were required to do was to TALK about increasing the SSP. That's all! Yet management recognizes the need to make PSA more appealing to new hire pilots. Not only has management offered to double the SSP and make it a flow, they have offered other sweeteners which were not required (or even mentioned) under the existing contract! Why? Because Dougie and Dion are nice guys??
Management NEEDS a better deal as much as the pilots WANT a better deal.
That's exactly my point! If we vote down the TA,......... they'll need to improve the deal!
Management wants this deal as much, (if not more than ) we do! Otherwise they would not have offered it. Remember, ....... we already HAD a contract! Management was under no obligation to offer improvements to that contract. All they were required to do was to TALK about increasing the SSP. That's all! Yet management recognizes the need to make PSA more appealing to new hire pilots. Not only has management offered to double the SSP and make it a flow, they have offered other sweeteners which were not required (or even mentioned) under the existing contract! Why? Because Dougie and Dion are nice guys??
Management NEEDS a better deal as much as the pilots WANT a better deal.
They will simply punish you if you vote it down lol. You'll get that special Envoy treatment. It'll take a year to get back to just the status quo. But whatever do what you want, the flow only applies to the first 500 pilots on the seniority list. Ask pilot 1200 what he thinks, trust me he doesn't care either way, is not eligible to vote in the first place, thinks 10 years is too long to flow, is here for the quick upgrade, and is already looking beyond PSA.
10-14-2015 | 09:09 AM
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First of all, the flow is going to pass. I'm 100% positive so take the next paragraph with a grain of salt.
They will simply punish you if you vote it down lol. You'll get that special Envoy treatment. It'll take a year to get back to just the status quo. But whatever do what you want, the flow only applies to the first 500 pilots on the seniority list. Ask pilot 1200 what he thinks, trust me he doesn't care either way, is not eligible to vote in the first place, thinks 10 years is too long to flow, is here for the quick upgrade, and is already looking beyond PSA.
They will simply punish you if you vote it down lol. You'll get that special Envoy treatment. It'll take a year to get back to just the status quo. But whatever do what you want, the flow only applies to the first 500 pilots on the seniority list. Ask pilot 1200 what he thinks, trust me he doesn't care either way, is not eligible to vote in the first place, thinks 10 years is too long to flow, is here for the quick upgrade, and is already looking beyond PSA.
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