OMG....WHY NOT. We gave nothing for an improvement to our contract. Why in the world would someone(18%) vote no.

If someone hands you 5 dollars for nothing do you give it back and say "no thanks it should've been 10"?

Absolutely asinine.

 

Ummmmm, yes, yes I do. More than one person actually, all of which (in my opinion) should have jobs at AA right now.

What did we give up? What are you talking about?

 

How would a no vote have changed this? How are we stuck here? Have you ever worked at another 121?

 

I'm saying this is the company's response to our yes vote. Like with SAP, CCP, FLICA, etc they've found a loophole to stick you here anyway. And no, it wasn't in my v file but that of a good friend who's also a check and never does anything to ruffle feathers here.

But let me guess, you've been here maybe a little longer than me, maybe, and you're going to school me in the ways of 121 because I disagree with this LOA right? Or is it your fear that you wouldn't get hired otherwise?

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You seem to believe that in the latest TA, AAG simply gave us something without gaining anything. If that's your understanding,........you're wrong! AAG doesn't give away ANYTHING without gaining something.

It's my belief, (which admittedly, will never be proven or disproven) that AAG GAINED what they believe is a competitive advantage in attracting pilots from a dwindling of candidates and that AAG gave away just barely enough to realize their gain. I also believe that AAG was willing to sweeten the pot if we had voted no,........ because THEY needed to regain/retain their competitive advantage in attracting pilots.

By voting "yes", I believe we gave up increases in pay, signing bonuses, (like ENY and PDT got), or possibly other "incentives". But as I stated earlier, that'll never be proven,...... because we jumped at their first offer.

You wrote "We gave nothing for an improvement to our contract". I believe that we DID give something - we gave our ability to make them do better.

Voting "no" was not "asinine". It's just a difference of opinion.

 

Why can we both not gain? No new hires are coming here for the flow, that has been proven.

AAG will "do better" when they need to "do better" right now they do not because our classes are full.

Should someone vote no because the company gets something out of it even if it doesn't really affect them?

 

I've missed more than 6 days this year and have gotten no letter. Him being a "check" I'm assuming is a LCA? The company doesn't care.

I asked about another 121 because you have very strong opinions as to how much your life here sucks. You have it pretty good and don't even know it.

 

Were you even here when things here were "not good"?

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If you would spend anytime at Union meetings instead of trolling this forum, you would know why you have the pay that you do.
-MZ 10/25/2015

 

Don't waste your breath, these people are stuck in the land of unrealistic expectations. They'll be back to the table if and when the hiring dries up.