[QUOTE=ExitPoint;1813317]A "zero" sim is actually quite common. I've been through two airline training programs and a FlightSafety course. All had a non-motion first sim session. Has nothing to do with the aptitude of the student. SMH...[/QUOT

Let me ask you something. How many sim sessions do you think they should allow? I've been told people are going well past the 10 plus the two additional sims if needed. I don't know about you, but I don't think people need to be taking 12+ sessions to pass the sim. But hey, I guess I am totally wrong in thinking there should be a limit.

 

How would this affect envoy positively?

 

Lol...nothing good for envoy, just PSA keep screwing us over.

Unless they announce a merger between both companies, then will be a real game changer. Specially because between Alpa companies mergers are by date of hire.

 

There is a limit, and it's 12.

Case in point, I'm prior 121, with an ATP and CL-65 type rating in hand the day I showed up to class. I got it done in 8, no biggie. In all honesty I probably could've passed the ride after 4, but whatever.

My partner's first language is not English. Engineering degree, and a really smart guy. Showed up to Sim with sections 4 and 7 memorized.

Instructor for Sim 1-4 was really good. Knew the POH really well, knew how to work us together as a crew, made a LOT of progress.

Instructor for Sim 5-8, while a really nice guy, was not a great instructor. Struggled with running the Sim and keeping the lessons flowing. Did not do a really good job of working us as a crew. My partner didn't learn a whole lot, and I was kinda frustrated.

I got signed off in 8, my partner was given two more lessons with a different instructor, signed off, passed the ride, and is now waiting for IOE.

The right call?

Two other people in my class were let go at 12. I don't know of any going beyond that.

 

Pretty sure there's a lot of Delta, NWA, UAL, and CAL guys that could prove you wrong.

 

I have a few sim instructor friends who have told me of people going past the 12. Of course I do not know what the circumstances were. And I know it does not happen often. I do know that a lot of it is based on the attitude of the person. Cooperate-graduate.

 

What's up with your username??

 

What's wrong with my forum name? Is it offensive? Perhaps I should change it to PSA is sugar and spice and all things nice?

 

If I apply today am I too late to catch the wave? (Prior 121)

 

No absolutely not. More airplanes are coming that have not been announced yet. I'm nearly positive Chicago will be announced in February.