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Old 02-04-2016 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
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The FAA does not want PSA to operate the 200's and 700/900's interchangeable with the same pilots. It is causing a variety of problems, including several potentially disastrous incidents lately.
What incidents were those? Feel free to PM.

I personally don't think it's as big a deal as I used to. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I don't think it is unsafe.

And as far as the "why"? It is an issue deeper than just exactly what the FAA wants for PSA. The complexity of just such an agreement when it comes to our union and our own seniority at PSA would likely make that idea a complete non-starter. Would they perhaps offer them pay commiserate with their years of service at Whiskey? I could see that. But this is all besides the point that I simply don't think that many would come to PSA. Why give up pay and qol for a lateral move? It's not like Whiskey would just shut the doors overnight. With the amount of hiring at the legacies and majors over the next couple years, I'm sure many there will have an opportunity to move up and out of this regional rat race.
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Old 02-04-2016 | 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
Why?

The FAA does not want PSA to operate the 200's and 700/900's interchangeable with the same pilots. It is causing a variety of problems, including several potentially disastrous incidents lately.


like what?
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Old 02-04-2016 | 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
I heard two seniority lists, one for 700/900, and one for 200's. Air Wisconsin will not get a new contract with AAG. Anyone from Air Wisconsin that wants to come over starting November 1st can do so and keep their seniority and seat.
So, your seniority list is alright with an AWAC FO coming over and being senior to a 3 year PSA Captain?
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Old 02-04-2016 | 10:42 AM
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like what?
I remember about three years ago they had an high altitude stall in a -200. Not sure if that was a factor, since it was so long ago.
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Old 02-04-2016 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
I remember about three years ago they had an high altitude stall in a -200. Not sure if that was a factor, since it was so long ago.

I don't think that is related to different type. Was due to situational awareness and laziness


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Old 02-04-2016 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyDingus
I don't think that is related to different type. Was due to situational awareness and laziness


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True...but a 700 or 900 makes it up to 30,000 ft and above with not much on an issue.
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Old 02-04-2016 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by nuball5
True...but a 700 or 900 makes it up to 30,000 ft and above with not much on an issue.
And your point is...? When that speed thing gets too low and you stall, it's not because your airplane can't perform like other airplanes. It's because you were reading the paper and quit paying attention. That has nothing to do with a different type. Should you not be allowed to fly at Max Gross Weight a trip after repo-ing an airplane because they handle differently?
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Old 02-04-2016 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
And your point is...? When that speed thing gets too low and you stall, it's not because your airplane can't perform like other airplanes. It's because you were reading the paper and quit paying attention. That has nothing to do with a different type. Should you not be allowed to fly at Max Gross Weight a trip after repo-ing an airplane because they handle differently?
Someone was speculating that the FAA wants PSA to not mix CRJ series due to some incident or series of incidents. If that crew had been flying something with better performance than a -200 and all of a sudden is paired with a -200 on a hot summer day, yeah I could see that potentially becoming a situational awareness issue. Where you forget which CRJ series you're operating reading the USA Today. Obviously that wasn't the sole cause, but the FAA has a history of knee-jerk reactions. Ask Skywest -200 operators what altitude they can climb up to.
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Old 02-04-2016 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
Why?

The FAA does not want PSA to operate the 200's and 700/900's interchangeable with the same pilots. It is causing a variety of problems, including several potentially disastrous incidents lately.
What's that got to do with PSA internal seniority issues? They can be tacked on to the bottom no different. They can have the 200s as well.
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Old 02-04-2016 | 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by joek
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like what?

3 700's were damaged. 2 cracked wing spars from hard landings and 1 toasted engine from being left in toga for too long.
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