I'm sapping 65 and picking up extra shifts at my other job. Balances out and I'm home more. Plus, I'm in no rush to get my 1,000 hours now.

 

Any thing? Great well thought out answer. So simple I'm not sure why all problems are not solved this way.

 

If this was the plan we should have taken the FO bonus to offset our poorest pilots losing money by dropping down. I think this would be a good idea if the company couldn't replace 200s with 900s. 2 900s do the same flying as 3 200s. That makes our staffing fine. Then make first year bonuses equal about 40-50k total pay and with 50 planes or so still to get there is your growth to bring in new hires. Problem solved with no increase for current pilots.

 

If you bothered to read, I suggested that you start by contacting your MEC. Someone else posted about not taking open time which is a great idea. It's your pilot group, I can't do everything for you. But I am here if you ever need advice

 

That still doesn't solve the problem of total routes. If you put 2 900s on routes served by 3 200s you still need something on the routes previously served by the 2 900s. So your plan works right up until we stop receiving 900s. Then what? They can't get more 900s unless mainline releases scope, so they either need to keep the 200s which they won't be able to staff without increases to our terms and conditions or they drop the routes, park the 200s, and lose money.

It will come down to whatever is cheaper for Dougie, dropping the routes or paying the pilots. Meanwhile as we are parking 200s to keep pilots cheap, Endeavor is pulling 200s out of the desert. Who do you think is going to pick up the routes AAG will be forced to drop, and who do you think will really be the largest airline in the world after Dougie is done playing his nickel and dime games?

 

What I'm getting at is you can trade 900s for 200s as we get 900s and not need an increase in pilots. Our staffing now can fly all the 900s were supposed to get if we park 200s. Throw bonuses at new hires so while we're parking 200s were gaining new hires and then we can slowly bring the 200s back on line. Also other airlines can pick up our routes. You think envoy or awac won't do our flying? Either way my original argument was that what we need is new hires. Giving money to our current group won't bring in new hires any more than offering them bonuses. Offering only new hires bonuses is cheaper for the company so I believe they will do that and not give current hires anything. Telling our pilot group to drop down and take less pay and to do things like picketing is only hurting us more. Every time you drop down the company needs to hire more so they give new hires more. Seems like you're the one coming out of that deal bad.

 

Spoken like a true company man. No wonder you guys are where you are. Lol. While everyone else is picketing this guy will be picking up open time and making a list of all the "dissenters". Good luck guys. With people like this in your ranks, you will need it!

 

The open time is a pile of garbage. 9 hour 4 days and such


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Once again not a company man just trying to tell our pilots you shouldn't drop down and give away money that you do have for money these senior guys think you will get. What are PSAs going to say while they picket. We signed in a **** contract and the company is paying us that and nothing more! We're outraged! Every one can shame me when I'm wrong but last time I checked what I'm saying is whats happening.

 

What's happening is you're choosing to bend over and take it. Have fun with that.

If they can ask you to take concessions, you can ask for pay raises. A contract can be amended, you know.... You talk about leverage, well you have it. New hires can't run the whole airline. Better use it before more of your kind come online