FirstClass

He's got more balls then most.

Binksy

Actually, anything much further west of TYS eliminates 80% of the US. You realize that 50% of our population is in the Eastern time zone, and another 30% is in the Central time zone? Land mass does not equal people. And we all know another base is on the way anyway.

As you said in an earlier post, we are currently overstaffed on CAs right now. Let's not predict all future upgrades based on the first quarter of this year after we overstaffed during the final quarter of last year.

Crjreg007

Clearly ha. Trying to argue a good contract is more important than movement and career progression as a DEC. That's a bold move Cotton. Let's see how that works out for him.

sweetholyjesus

Pilots on the job have plenty of leverage. Without them the motor stops turning. Those rookies can't fly the jet all by themselves. And just imagine if all those senior training instructors all came down with the flu at the same time..
Kidding aside, of course seniority is difficult to give up. But there are plenty of ways to put up the good fight without quitting. But keep sending more excuses to sit on your hands...

You keep using the contract as an excuse to accept things how they are, yet the company has gone outside the contract to pay newhires. Maybe if you stop whining like a little (insert unkind words here) and put some work in, the company could go outside the contract to pay you some of that extra money they're throwing at those all-important newbies..

Crjreg007

So Endeavor pays more than AWAC. Why are you guys not fighting for better pay? Are you not worth as much as a new hire Endeavor pilot? Or is maybe the fact that you won't get as much pay as Endeavor pilots because all of a sudden your fleet of only 50 seaters now becomes way too costly for AA. You have leverage though so I expect to feel dumb when AWAC announces pay raises.

sweetholyjesus

In case you weren't aware, we just voted down a TA that would have bumped first year pay, but would have been a concession for everyone else on the list. We are actively negotiating... Aren't we paid more to fly 50 seaters than you are 70 seaters?

I'm NOT trying to make this a contest between airlines, but maybe I finally got through to you since you are trying this silly tactic.. The better you guys do for yourselves, the more leverage everyone else gets. The worse you guys do (ex: your current contract), the more leverage every pilot loses. Listening to you try to justify sitting on your hands while the company goes around your contract and pilot union in its own interests is...frustrating.

EDIT: you should feel dumb since AWAC gets 1.5% annual pay raise indefinitely per our current CBA

SEPfield

I stand by it. Yes I am a DEC, but my reasons for coming to PSA had nothing to do with pay and all to do with quality of life. If I had gotten a good look at the contact before I started there is a good chance I may have gone somewhere else, but maybe not as I do need some PIC.

Now the real question is; why did PSA need DECs in the first place? Where was the 15k bonus for guys with 1000hrs 121 a year ago? Where in the contract does it state that the company can even hire DECs. The answer is it doesn't. Hiring DECs was yet another concession to the contract that you so adamantly defend. And what was your compensation for that concession? Did it help your movement? Did it help your flow? Do you realize how much money the company saved by hiring DECs? I would guess they saved enough to pay at least 1 new hire bonus per DEC, which you are still not getting.

If the company had been forced to increase pay and conditions a year ago then there would have been no need for DECs. A good contract a year ago would have ensured good movement. Instead I'm here, I'm slowing your upgrade, I'm taking your paycheck, and I'm logging your PIC and you still have the audacity to tell people they should stick to the contract and try to help the company, That mister cotton is the bold move.

Forgive me for finding myself in a bad situation and trying to do what I can to make it better.

FirstClass

1.) Alpa = Losers
2.) Local ALPA leaders = weak
3.) You do NOT have to accept. You CANNOT be disciplined for following the rules they agreed to in good faith

If the few of you so called men cannot have the self respect to do what is right, you do not deserve to wear the uniform. Further, mainline pilots won't respect you in spite of the flow, those that came before you didn't put up with this kind of bs.

Chairman TR must step down immediately. Hey TR, when did standing up for yourself become politically incorrect?

Crjreg007

So what you're telling me is AWAC offered new hires more money by the way of first year pay increases and not the rest of you? Maybe because paying you guys more doesn't make sense because you're not leaving for other regionals? My god sounds like your airline did exactly what I'm saying ours is doing. But you guys waited what 5 years for that offer? Did you use all of your leverage? I though companies understood you had to make the contract better for all pilots? Also I don't feel stupid about your 1.5% raise because your 5 years as an FO still made less than our CAs that upgraded in under two years will make in 5 years. Much less at that. Your 1.5% doesn't fill classes but our quick upgrade sure did.

Crjreg007

The company needed DECs because we grew so quick that we were in need of CAs. How would have increase pay to current pilots, which is what our whole argument is about, made it so we wouldn't have needed DECs? Does pay help new people get 1000 hours quicker? You say a good contract would have insured good movement. Think about what you're saying. PSA didn't have good movement? We had so much movement we had to hire DECs...
I like how in your early post you say any new hire that does any amount of research will see that PSAs contract is bad and then just now you say you didn't do your homework? You say I think new hires are stupid for going for a bonus and not a better contract? Did you not join PSA for as a DEC, which is a bonus for only new hires, with a bad contract? Are you the stupid new hires you speak of? Never once have I defended our contract. You would know that if you had read what I've posted but seeing as how you didn't read our contract I can't expect that can I. For the last time my argument is that management will not pay people like you more because they don't have to. I do not think our contract is good. Doesn't change the fact that pilots on property are willing to fly under it and not go to other airlines. We even have people from other airlines coming here, cough you cough. It makes poor business to pay our pilots more and AA won't do it is my only argument. Not that our contract is good or that the company is great.