daOldMan

The truth is that any new hire FO at PSA will make second year CA pay by the end of their second year right now. Eventually that will stop when hiring slows down. But, before it does slow down, however, first year pay will be raised and there will be a hiring bonus. So, no one will ever truly see the real pay scale.

It seems like PSA pilots played it perfectly. Everyone on property benefited, as did all new hires for the next 2-3 years. After those 2-3 years are up, there will be a new pay scale that will be negotiated because without it, they won't be able to hire any pilots.

I am not sure what second year captain pay is at PSA is without looking, but I would imagine it is about $70/hr. Does anyone at Envoy make $70/hr after being with the company for 18-20 months? And if you already have your captain minimums, you are making $65-$70 your first year.

How exactly is that bringing down the industry?

word302

I have said it more than once. We will never know the effects of the PSA contract. There is no way to prove whether or not it has had an impact on others bargaining power. I am not insulting you. It is ignorant to say it has had no effect.

Waitingformins

Because that amount of work would have hit the industry despite PSA's concessions. Once the cheapO operated filled up the flying would have been shifted to higher paying regionals allowing them to attract more pilots with equal growth and a better contract creating problems for the cheapO guys forceing them to pony up rasing he collective cost of feed.
You seem to be taking credit for cheap oil. If the price goes back up the dynamics will change because more RJ's will be parked reducing the effects of a pilot shortage.

Waitingformins

You are alluding that other carrier's contract negations are the only harm that PSA caused the industry.
Besides, plenty of negotiations have been stalled for many years including the compensation section. Are you so naive that because a signed one with concessions hasn't been delivered then there was no harm?

DOGIII

If there is no way to know how much of an impact the vote had, why are you only ready to accept the scenario that it was harmful to the industry? Maybe it helped it? Here is another perspective that I'm sure you're not willing to consider:
The vote kept the airline alive with a scheduled adjustment period in its contract that should be sought after by every other regional airline in the industry. If the no vote shut down the company, other airlines would not have to try and match this powerful and rare qol tool.

I'm not saying that I know for a fact what would have happened if the vote had a different outcome, but your posts suggests that you are somehow privy to this hypothetical information, and that the inevitable verdict is that PSA is, once again, responsible for everything that's bad in the world.

CaptLucky

I'm so glad you are not involved in those decisions...........

CaptLucky

Nor does it change our negative opinion of you......... LOL

CaptLucky

You helped raise the bar by leaving? LOL your decision was a selfish one, like every decision we all make. Of course that is assuming Republic didn't make the decision for you?

CaptLucky

I was here. We said no twice and got screwed. Because you are ignorant of history at PSA does not mean it didn't happen. Grow up or shut up, you ass shows every time you post.

CaptLucky

You must be blissful then.......