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Old 12-02-2015 | 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by word302
Ignorance is bliss.
So you have nothing to say and resort to insults?

Ok bud.

Have a good night....
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Old 12-02-2015 | 04:29 PM
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Geebus. Everyone knows what a scrum regional PSA is. Yes we lowered the bar and stole airplanes from Envoy. We should all look down when we walk in the terminal and turn our ID's around so know one will see who we are. Hell Envoy, you ladies can keep your airplanes. And Mesa, you keep being Mesa. Compass. What a joke. Bricktard you raised first year pay and that is it. You still suck. Hojets and the rest, no one cares about you either. S T F U and fly your planes, go home at the end of your trip, and tell your mommies how mean PSA is and what bad things they did to you.
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Old 12-02-2015 | 04:30 PM
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The truth is that any new hire FO at PSA will make second year CA pay by the end of their second year right now. Eventually that will stop when hiring slows down. But, before it does slow down, however, first year pay will be raised and there will be a hiring bonus. So, no one will ever truly see the real pay scale.

It seems like PSA pilots played it perfectly. Everyone on property benefited, as did all new hires for the next 2-3 years. After those 2-3 years are up, there will be a new pay scale that will be negotiated because without it, they won't be able to hire any pilots.

I am not sure what second year captain pay is at PSA is without looking, but I would imagine it is about $70/hr. Does anyone at Envoy make $70/hr after being with the company for 18-20 months? And if you already have your captain minimums, you are making $65-$70 your first year.

How exactly is that bringing down the industry?
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Old 12-02-2015 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by pagey
So you have nothing to say and resort to insults?

Ok bud.

Have a good night....
I have said it more than once. We will never know the effects of the PSA contract. There is no way to prove whether or not it has had an impact on others bargaining power. I am not insulting you. It is ignorant to say it has had no effect.
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Old 12-02-2015 | 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
The truth is that any new hire FO at PSA will make second year CA pay by the end of their second year right now. Eventually that will stop when hiring slows down. But, before it does slow down, however, first year pay will be raised and there will be a hiring bonus. So, no one will ever truly see the real pay scale.

It seems like PSA pilots played it perfectly. Everyone on property benefited, as did all new hires for the next 2-3 years. After those 2-3 years are up, there will be a new pay scale that will be negotiated because without it, they won't be able to hire any pilots.

I am not sure what second year captain pay is at PSA is without looking, but I would imagine it is about $70/hr. Does anyone at Envoy make $70/hr after being with the company for 18-20 months? And if you already have your captain minimums, you are making $65-$70 your first year.

How exactly is that bringing down the industry?
Because that amount of work would have hit the industry despite PSA's concessions. Once the cheapO operated filled up the flying would have been shifted to higher paying regionals allowing them to attract more pilots with equal growth and a better contract creating problems for the cheapO guys forceing them to pony up rasing he collective cost of feed.
You seem to be taking credit for cheap oil. If the price goes back up the dynamics will change because more RJ's will be parked reducing the effects of a pilot shortage.
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Old 12-02-2015 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pagey
In what sections? Compensation was the only modification to PSA's contract.
You are alluding that other carrier's contract negations are the only harm that PSA caused the industry.
Besides, plenty of negotiations have been stalled for many years including the compensation section. Are you so naive that because a signed one with concessions hasn't been delivered then there was no harm?
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Old 12-02-2015 | 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by word302
How do you know if even greater improvements could have been made? Are you listening? There is no way to know just how much of an impact the PSA contract had on the industry.

If there is no way to know how much of an impact the vote had, why are you only ready to accept the scenario that it was harmful to the industry? Maybe it helped it? Here is another perspective that I'm sure you're not willing to consider:
The vote kept the airline alive with a scheduled adjustment period in its contract that should be sought after by every other regional airline in the industry. If the no vote shut down the company, other airlines would not have to try and match this powerful and rare qol tool.

I'm not saying that I know for a fact what would have happened if the vote had a different outcome, but your posts suggests that you are somehow privy to this hypothetical information, and that the inevitable verdict is that PSA is, once again, responsible for everything that's bad in the world.
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Old 12-03-2015 | 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DETSports
If it were up to me I would get rid of DAY and TYS as crew bases and open another large hub base in ORD or DCA to go along with CVG (people moved over from DAY) and CLT...but I just work here.
I'm so glad you are not involved in those decisions...........
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Old 12-03-2015 | 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Realtalk
I do realize that, however that still doesn't change my opinion of anyone who works there.
Nor does it change our negative opinion of you......... LOL
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Old 12-03-2015 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
Was at Republic for a stint. Left for Compass. And do some research son. My fellow comrades at Republic were one of the few to hold the line and vote down contracts. The bar was raised because of them. Please, inform us all of where you preside.


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You helped raise the bar by leaving? LOL your decision was a selfish one, like every decision we all make. Of course that is assuming Republic didn't make the decision for you?
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